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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:43 am 
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I actually go the other way on this.
I think the bottom 2-3 teams should get a PP every year.
It's so hard to build your way to the top especially with FA favouribg the top teams.
Give bottom sides help every year and they'll soon not be a bottom side.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:24 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
I actually go the other way on this.
I think the bottom 2-3 teams should get a PP every year.
It's so hard to build your way to the top especially with FA favouribg the top teams.
Give bottom sides help every year and they'll soon not be a bottom side.


Yep. Do away with compo picks and get loose on PP. That will even things up.

Fraser, Hodge, Judd, Rewoldt, Roughead, Murphy, Thomas, Deludio, Griffen......... all priority picks. All ended up playing finals. Some grand finals. Some premierships.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:33 am 
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I tend to agree as one first round draft pick makes up just 5% of your on field playing personnel in AFL.

In American Football this climbs to 9% and in Basketball it jumps to 20%.

Very hard for AFL teams to make quick improvement

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:13 pm 
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If you're going to give PP's give them after the 1st round.

As much as possible the first 18 picks should go to clubs in order of how the season finished.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:26 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
If you're going to give PP's give them after the 1st round.

As much as possible the first 18 picks should go to clubs in order of how the season finished.


Any reason ?

Go back to the old way with roughly 4 wins or less being the unofficial marker but keep it as AFL's discretion to make teams think twice about tanking (the reason they removed it).

Sort of how it is now but way looser.

Give picks at the start of the first round if you finished outside the 8 the previous year. Second round if in.

Should even things up.

No FA compo.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:29 pm 
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Can't not give FA compo. Imagine losing players like Kruezer, Franklin, Ablett, Dangerfield for nothing! Sorry but clubs need to be looked after here.
As for PP - no from me. A good club continuously builds with smarts every year and hence longevity is built. ie. Sydney, Geelong & Hawthorn. Falls aren't big!
We stuffed it up big time by losing so many players that could play and replacing them with minimum return and we need now to fully rebuild, no doubt but it can be done relatively quickly if we are smart and utilise the position we find ourselves right now. Just need to trade and not sell the farm for speculative picks for the sake of it.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:24 pm 
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if FA is to work then the AFL need to scrap all compensation, assistance, salary cap relief, rookie lists, veterans allowance and every other BS evening up mechanism they have come up with
and they need to stop coming up with a new FAD yo even things up

example
Each club has 50 players
Each club has exactly the same salary cap

how a club chooses to split that up is to them, if they want to blow it all on getting a FA go ahead, they will pay for it in a few years time

clubs need to get better at running their clubs and footy departments


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:53 pm 
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club29 wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
If you're going to give PP's give them after the 1st round.

As much as possible the first 18 picks should go to clubs in order of how the season finished.


Any reason ?

Go back to the old way with roughly 4 wins or less being the unofficial marker but keep it as AFL's discretion to make teams think twice about tanking (the reason they removed it).

Sort of how it is now but way looser.

Give picks at the start of the first round if you finished outside the 8 the previous year. Second round if in.

Should even things up.

No FA compo.


More so fans of teams 11-16 have something to look forward to as well. If Carlton, Brisbane and Gold Coast shared the first 6 picks, it dilutes what's left for Melbourne and St Kinda. End of first round allows the bottom teams to add to their depth without gifting them an extra gun.

Collingwood and Hawthorn benefited so much from Pendlebury/Thomas and Franklin/Roughead

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If you ask me
Just scrap the draft
Use the salary cap
It works in the NRL
Much closer comp than the AFL

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:57 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
For the AFL to give a priority pick to Carlton and Brisbane they have to see some benefit for the competition.

The AFL have always wanted every game to be fought out with closer results, making for more exciting games and giving all supporters hope their team of a win which will give the AFL greater support.

Every team gets a round 1 draftee: Wooden Spooner to Premier.
One, including AFL, just hopes the quality helps improve the position of the lower team over time.

Generally a top 3 player is better than the rest of the top 10.
But, what we do know is a 11-20 pick in the draft may be better than the 4-10 pick.

The big question for the AFL is whether the current system with one high selection will help to equalise the competition overtime?
One thing for sure is that there's no guarantee the higher pick will be better than the lower pick see Fyfe, Selwood, Wingard etc.



One standard high pick in the draft for Carlton and Brisbane will not improve their plight. I'm sure the AFL can see the top teams and bottom teams are poles apart.

If the AFL want most games with closer results and give every supporter some hope of a win every round the result will be an increase in crowds and TV viewing.

Will the AFL do the right thing by Carlton and Brisbane and give them both a priority pick? .


Excellent post. :clap: :clap: I couldn't have said it better myself.

My belief is the AFL is scared of displeasing other clubs and will say "let's wait another year" before they consider a priority pick but the fact is Carlton had its worst EVER defeat this season. This is a club in crisis. Four wins. Just four wins. It is in the AFL's own self interest to have more competitive games. Carlton - a competitive Carlton - is the 2nd biggest drawing club in the league. That should be a factor to consider.

One priority pick in a team game of 22 players means next to nothing.
One priority pick in a team game of 5 or 7 (eg basketball?) would mean something.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:37 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
club29 wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
If you're going to give PP's give them after the 1st round.

As much as possible the first 18 picks should go to clubs in order of how the season finished.


Any reason ?

Go back to the old way with roughly 4 wins or less being the unofficial marker but keep it as AFL's discretion to make teams think twice about tanking (the reason they removed it).

Sort of how it is now but way looser.

Give picks at the start of the first round if you finished outside the 8 the previous year. Second round if in.

Should even things up.

No FA compo.


More so fans of teams 11-16 have something to look forward to as well. If Carlton, Brisbane and Gold Coast shared the first 6 picks, it dilutes what's left for Melbourne and St Kinda. End of first round allows the bottom teams to add to their depth without gifting them an extra gun.

Collingwood and Hawthorn benefited so much from Pendlebury/Thomas and Franklin/Roughead

And we from Murphy/Kennedy.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:00 pm 
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Yep. We didn't capitalise in the same way though.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:09 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Yep. We didn't capitalise in the same way though.

Ya think? :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:17 pm 
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Wouldn't be very confident of getting a PP after listening to the CEO on 360 tonight.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:01 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Can't not give FA compo. Imagine losing players like Kruezer, Franklin, Ablett, Dangerfield for nothing!


I know the old refrain about how we overrate our players has been done to death but...

FFS...how on Earth is Kreuzer even remotely in that sentence???

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:30 pm 
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GWS wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Can't not give FA compo. Imagine losing players like Kruezer, Franklin, Ablett, Dangerfield for nothing!


I know the old refrain about how we overrate our players has been done to death but...

FFS...how on Earth is Kreuzer even remotely in that sentence???

Teacher: "Johnny, give us a sentence with the words 'kreuzer' and 'contagious' in it" .
Johnny: "Matthew Kreuzer has been in rehab and my dad reckons it's taking the contagious".

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:48 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Wouldn't be very confident of getting a PP after listening to the CEO on 360 tonight.


I know we largely deserve it (sadly) but the disdain and ridicule thrown our way is really pissing me off.

Hard work being a laughing stock.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:39 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
GWS wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Can't not give FA compo. Imagine losing players like Kruezer, Franklin, Ablett, Dangerfield for nothing!


I know the old refrain about how we overrate our players has been done to death but...

FFS...how on Earth is Kreuzer even remotely in that sentence???

Teacher: "Johnny, give us a sentence with the words 'kreuzer' and 'contagious' in it" .
Johnny: "Matthew Kreuzer has been in rehab and my dad reckons it's taking the contagious".


Adding more insight into the threads I see. :clap:


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:46 am 
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GWS wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Can't not give FA compo. Imagine losing players like Kruezer, Franklin, Ablett, Dangerfield for nothing!


I know the old refrain about how we overrate our players has been done to death but...

FFS...how on Earth is Kreuzer even remotely in that sentence???


You don't rate Kruezer, fair enough but if you feel a club should lose a player such as him for 0, then I have nothing more to add.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:25 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
GWS wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Can't not give FA compo. Imagine losing players like Kruezer, Franklin, Ablett, Dangerfield for nothing!


I know the old refrain about how we overrate our players has been done to death but...

FFS...how on Earth is Kreuzer even remotely in that sentence???


You don't rate Kruezer, fair enough but if you feel a club should lose a player such as him for 0, then I have nothing more to add.

So, you think Kreuzer is in the same class as Ablett, Franklin, and Dangerfield?

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