I've seen the great years......and the terrible years.

I think I might be in denial......

Save me Cripps. Save me Gibbs. Save me Bolts. Deliver a miracle. Reality is going to hurt.

I have seen the good years too

We are now @#$%&! awful

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Cheats never prosper (except in the AFL)

Same, I guess we were spoilt back then.
It is so frustrating that we have put ourselves in this position. Dumb, stupid decisions over and over again and no one seems to have put up their hand and accepted any responsibility for it.
Geez, I am angry.

..I agree wit tread title.. ..we aren't that bad, we are worse..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

This is the worst list I have ever seen in my life time. Worse than the one during the Pagan years.
We are awful~~

Ask a bulldogs supporter what their expectations were this year

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Seriously?????
Yes, we have work to do on our list.. But I imagine our best 22 without Hendo, yarran and menzel, and replace with 3 top 25 draft picks who actually put in for the navy blue, and I imagine a better team than we have on the park currently. The way yarran and menzel play currently, they should be ashamed to collect their monthly pay cheque.

Not first year players. They need a year or two in the system to at least develop a tank to run out games

The three year rebuild is about right. It will take time for young players to contribute.

I tend to agree we'rd not that bad though. There are a lot of players we got little out of this year, for different seasons, that we can expect more from next year. Add to that a full year under a new coach, with better development and a better fitness program.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

One good draft pick per year won't make a hell of a difference to a team that relies on 22 players...

Carlton is cactus unless the AFL steps in to assist -(eg financial assistance or extra draft picks...eg GWS 10 top 20 draft picks in one draft etc) as it has done with the Bulldogs, North etc... "isn't a miracle" how well North, Bulldogs are going...people not realising all the assistance the AFL gives to these clubs behind the scenes to make sure they are "successful".

Carlton needs to join the conga-line of sucks. That is the only way to success.

One good draft pick is inconsequential.

Note it's not a miracle, it's two clubs who used the draft to build the talent to take them up the ladder.

How many players do we have under 27 who are class, that is good kicks?
That's your starting point.

You cant compare us to the Bulldogs. They've nailed all their draft picks for the last 2-3 drafts.

Apart from Cripps we've got some players who "may" become "good" players. They've got 2 handfulls of possible A graders.

We're 3 years behind them in terms of drafting.. and thats granted we're as successful as them with our picks.

You would think that Bolton coming from Hawthorn would make picking kids that can use the ball would be a priority

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

That's the key

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We are bad, very bad but there is something to work with.

I believe we have a defence we can build on. Lots of good running options but Jamison, Giles & Rowe as tall options. Like to see how they go with a good midfield and a better structure. We could easily add Weitering & Plowman & maybe Carlisle to that list. If we do there is a defence for the next decade.

We lack depth through the midfield and genuine A grade class. IMO that is our biggest issue. Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps (will be elite), Graham are a good base. Need massive quality support.

Ruck is an issue especially if Kruezer goes but Wood can fill in whilst we develop or recruit another.

Forward options are very limited. Walker, Everitt, Jaksch (yet to be proven) are okay at best. Casboult is more a third tall/ruck type but does a solid job. There are question marks over Menzel. Thomas & Smith could be handy small forwards.

Not a lot but there is a base.

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Seriously, can you all take a deep breath

Massive injuries...starting DT in Round 1

Dispirited, distracted and despondent group during the MM games

Awful game plan

Passengers (Hendo and Yarran)

Menzel...meh...don't buy the injuries argument...not serious enough

On the flip side

a potentially modern teaching coach from the best environment in the AFL

Graham, Buckley, Docherty, Bell (probably lose him), Everitt had improved years. Expect more in 2016

Sheehan and Byrne to give us the best Irish trio in the AFL

Cripps to get even stronger

Early draft picks

jacksh and Giles (fingers crossed..OK, I''m hoping more than anything)

Weitering, SOSOSOSOSOS, Rice

Maybe a GWS discard we can develop

Gibbs, Thomas, Murphy, Casboult back

Boek, Holman and Whiley to improve

It will turn around...I'm hopeful of winning 8 games next year with a list that actually cares

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I am getting old and want to see a few more cups.

We certainly bottomed out under Madhouse so I am expecting a better year in 2016.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Is that all there is to be successful? Nailing three drafts?

It has a lot more to do with the behind the scenes support that the AFL gives certain clubs.

eg - Jarrad Waite - why didn't Carlton get ANY compensation for him?

There is a lot of "tinkering" behind the scenes that I guess the general supporter just doesn't see...and therefore makes them believe it is all the draft as for why teams do well. I tell you Carlton has to join the conga line of sucks before they do well. Get down and beg at the AFL...this is a socialist run system, but with favourite clubs. Carlton is not a favourite club for the AFL.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-03/j ... oins-north

This article refers to Carlton getting nothing for Waite "due to his age".
Yet Dal Santo - also over 30 - was named the recruit of the year for the AFL in 2014.
Guess what St Kilda got ? pick 25.

Why the difference?
Waite had been a leading goal kicker for Carlton and yet due "to his age" Carlton gets nothing for him.
If he is so old- why has he kicked 35 goals and is North's 3rd leading goal kicker? Shouldn't he be using a zimmer frame if his age is such a factor?

Carlton yet again miss out on goodies that other clubs get.

Why is Carlton's six million plus debt meaningless to the AFL, yet North's six million debt was a priority they had to pay off?
Why the discrepancy...

dont disagree tap.

at the end of the day we lost a player and if they have a compensation system then who gives a @#$%&! how old they are? compensate all clubs when they lose any player to free agency otherwise just scrap the system. too many grey areas in everything the afl do.

unfortunately we know above wont happen because the afl love grey areas as it allows them to bend rules and make shit up as they go along.