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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:41 pm 
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No one will trade for Walker - he'll be a FA move if anything


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:44 pm 
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marciblues wrote:
No one will trade for Walker - he'll be a FA move if anything


He's contracted for 1 or 2 more seasons.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:48 pm 
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marciblues wrote:
No one will trade for Walker - he'll be a FA move if anything

Walker, will he play where named?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:05 pm 
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Looks like Menz and Yarran are the two identified as picking and choosing. Can't argue with that but it is also incredibly disappointing that two of our most talented are being dropped for lack of effort. And very hard to see Yarran on the list next year - such a talent, such a shame.

Can't see who Sam Rowe will play on and very disappointing that we won't play KJ. What is the problem? It can't possibly be talent given what we are fielding. Let's hope we haven't recruited another guy who lacks intensity. Surely this would have been the time to give him a run against someone like Darcy Moore who is younger and less experienced.

Looks like JB is making a statement about what players need to bring in terms of effort which is good, but hard to understand why AFL players don't get that and can't at least fulfil that part of their contract even if they don't have the talent. Glad Smith is still in. Needs a few pre seasons but looks to have talent, toughness and pace.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:15 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
very disappointing that we won't play KJ. What is the problem? It can't possibly be talent given what we are fielding. Let's hope we haven't recruited another guy who lacks intensity. Surely this would have been the time to give him a run against someone like Darcy Moore who is younger and less experienced.


All part of our 'Tall Blokes Development Program!!' our modus operandi seems to be:

1 - sell the farm to get talented tall blokes into the club, trades, picks whatever

2 - banish them to the reserves under the 'big blokes take longer' theory

3 - Give them a random game in the firsts somewhere and unless they kick 10 goals revert back to step 2

4 - After about 3 or 4 seasons of the step 2-3 loop everyone forgets about them and we can safely delist and start again by selling the farm for a newer tall

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:45 pm 
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I really didn't feel like Menzel was picking and choosing against North at all, in fact I thought it was one of his better games. Laboured at times, but good.

Yarran is a similar case IMO, I think they're both carrying injuries and being told that they can play though. Are we so trusting of our medical staff despite their obvious incompetence that we're labelling lame players as lazy?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:54 pm 
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Menzel has been hurt most of the year, hasn't he? Seems a bit rough, but we're not in the tent.

If Barker gets the gig I think we can say goodbye to Yarran.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:34 pm 
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Yep I get the feeling too that Barker isn't overly impressed with Yarran.
It's costly every time we turnover a coach and let players got for peanuts .
Let's hope this won't happen with Yarren and Hendo .
Crazy scenario we're approaching , hope it all works out for the best .
We can't afford another blunder.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:44 pm 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Yep I get the feeling too that Barker isn't overly impressed with Yarran.
It's costly every time we turnover a coach and let players got for peanuts .
Let's hope this won't happen with Yarren and Hendo .
Crazy scenario we're approaching , hope it all works out for the best .
We can't afford another blunder.


You use the next 5 games to try walker as a lead up forward pocket, which could give him longevity and allow everitt or henderson to play up the ground. Jaksch in his 3rd season needs to show more intensity.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:35 pm 
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Problem is, if Walker plays the lead up roll then Menzel & Everitt don't need to be in the side.
I feel these 2 can only truly play that role. I would persist with Menzel in that role, play Walker further up because he can and leave Everitt out. Then we have balance.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:49 pm 
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Problem is, if Walker plays the lead up roll then Menzel & Everitt don't need to be in the side.
I feel these 2 can only truly play that role. I would persist with Menzel in that role, play Walker further up because he can and leave Everitt out. Then we have balance.

Walker is 30 odd. Everitt is 24 or something.
Walker is always injured. Everitt has played every game.
Walker hasn't dome much with his cnaces this year (mostyears). Everitt is equal top goalkicker at the club.
Walker will have to give it away next year or the year after. Everitt has six or eight seasons in him and is out of contract at the end of this season.

Do you see the pattern emerging?

I wouldn't drop Everitt for Walker. I would put Henderson at CHB if he's even there next year and pay Everitt as a mobile CHF as distinct from a Carey or Brown type as he is not suited to that. More in the Waite style.

Menzel is a time bomb I reckon. He should be dominating the comp by now but he doesn't. I have no idea why as he has the talent. Or hows flashes of it. A bit like Walker, perhaps. A gifted payer who has potential all over him but who never realized it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:41 am 
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jimmae wrote:
I really didn't feel like Menzel was picking and choosing against North at all, in fact I thought it was one of his better games. Laboured at times, but good.

Yarran is a similar case IMO, I think they're both carrying injuries and being told that they can play though. Are we so trusting of our medical staff despite their obvious incompetence that we're labelling lame players as lazy?


The coaching staff would have all their data from the games Jim. Plus all the details of their current medical status.
So yes, I'm trusting them to make an informed assessment.
Well, a more informed assessment than you or I anyway.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:46 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Problem is, if Walker plays the lead up roll then Menzel & Everitt don't need to be in the side.
I feel these 2 can only truly play that role. I would persist with Menzel in that role, play Walker further up because he can and leave Everitt out. Then we have balance.

Walker is 30 odd. Everitt is 24 or something.
Walker will have to give it away next year or the year after. Everitt has six or eight seasons in him and is out of contract at the end of this season.

Do you see the pattern emerging?


Walker is less than 3 years older than than Everitt.
Is exaggeration the pattern?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:48 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..they're playing like a completely different team lately.. ..cloke isn't that much of a loss, although his absence does hurt them.... ..but they're giving us a run for our money in the blind bombs and hospital handpasses stakes.. ..structures' breaking down, woeful skills etc..


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(but I agree with everything else)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:35 am 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Yep I get the feeling too that Barker isn't overly impressed with Yarran.
It's costly every time we turnover a coach and let players got for peanuts .
Let's hope this won't happen with Yarren and Hendo .
Crazy scenario we're approaching , hope it all works out for the best .
We can't afford another blunder.

The club has virtually accused both Yarran and Menzel of not putting in 100%.
A bit harsh on Menzel who is clearly carrying an injury.
I hope this doesnt backfire and we lose more good players for next to nothing.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:53 am 
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kezza wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Yep I get the feeling too that Barker isn't overly impressed with Yarran.
It's costly every time we turnover a coach and let players got for peanuts .
Let's hope this won't happen with Yarren and Hendo .
Crazy scenario we're approaching , hope it all works out for the best .
We can't afford another blunder.

The club has virtually accused both Yarran and Menzel of not putting in 100%.
A bit harsh on Menzel who is clearly carrying an injury.
I hope this doesnt backfire and we lose more good players for next to nothing.


Everitt should have joined these 2 this week. His defensive application has been just as bad if not worse than the other 2.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:23 am 
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kezza wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Yep I get the feeling too that Barker isn't overly impressed with Yarran.
It's costly every time we turnover a coach and let players got for peanuts .
Let's hope this won't happen with Yarren and Hendo .
Crazy scenario we're approaching , hope it all works out for the best .
We can't afford another blunder.

The club has virtually accused both Yarran and Menzel of not putting in 100%.
A bit harsh on Menzel who is clearly carrying an injury.
I hope this doesnt backfire and we lose more good players for next to nothing.

But he is always injured one little knock and he heads for the bench. He appears mentally and physically soft.
Players like Garlett and Houlihan look tough compared to him .
There isn't a game I have seen him play where he doesn't come to the bench for some form of treatment.

Is he injury prone or is he soft

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:45 am 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Yep I get the feeling too that Barker isn't overly impressed with Yarran.
It's costly every time we turnover a coach and let players got for peanuts .
Let's hope this won't happen with Yarren and Hendo .
Crazy scenario we're approaching , hope it all works out for the best .
We can't afford another blunder.



The last 20 years have been blunder after blunder.


Can't afford another blunder.


We've had so many wrong decisions that we can't afford to even make tough good decisions now.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:08 am 
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kezza wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Yep I get the feeling too that Barker isn't overly impressed with Yarran.
It's costly every time we turnover a coach and let players got for peanuts .
Let's hope this won't happen with Yarren and Hendo .
Crazy scenario we're approaching , hope it all works out for the best .
We can't afford another blunder.

The club has virtually accused both Yarran and Menzel of not putting in 100%.
A bit harsh on Menzel who is clearly carrying an injury.
I hope this doesnt backfire and we lose more good players for next to nothing.


no, I'm glad the coach is making a statement... everyone on here complains that our players aren't made accountable when their efforts aren't up to par... and now we complain when they are made accountable because we're scared they'll walk out.

great move, if they're injured then rest, if they're playing then the expectation is 100% all the time, Menzel has been IMO Carlton's biggest passenger for most of this season, and Yarren has been playing well below his ability. time to make a statement.

there's only 2 things to be salvaged from this season IMO
1 - a top 2 or top 3 draft pick
2 - a clear message from the club about not carrying passengers, hopefully changing a unhealthy culture


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:15 am 
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kezza wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Yep I get the feeling too that Barker isn't overly impressed with Yarran.
It's costly every time we turnover a coach and let players got for peanuts .
Let's hope this won't happen with Yarren and Hendo .
Crazy scenario we're approaching , hope it all works out for the best .
We can't afford another blunder.

The club has virtually accused both Yarran and Menzel of not putting in 100%.
A bit harsh on Menzel who is clearly carrying an injury.
I hope this doesnt backfire and we lose more good players for next to nothing.


Both under contract next year. If trading them occurs, it should be only for a value we think is fair*

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