Worst loss in clubs history in his 200th doesn't show a lot of respect - the game plan employed on friday night where we fiddled in the backline for turnovers rather than push up the field was rubbish (worse than anything we had under malthouse)

Given the above, would murphy be tradable?

Pies won their first spoon in the 70's

To Brisbane, for their second pick and Aish.

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is that the best we could do though? Haven't tracked aish closely enough but I could see any of the following been thrown up (particularly if we are prepared to pay part salary)
- pies/tigers/dogs/crows/port/hawks 1st round + player
- GCS/GWS 2nd round + player

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Somewhere.

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Murphy is the only A grader with elite capabilities we have on the list. You can maybe replace Henderson and Yarran's output but let's not get fanciful with trades and draft picks.

Don't agree. Murphy is a good player and I like the way he goes about it but IMO there is nothing elite about him.

The question I have is if we don't look at trading and draft picks to rebuild our list what do we do?

People keep saying we can't trade this player or that player because we need them. I reckon that is BS. Look where we are, our whole list is poor. We seem to overrate our players.

Whatever we think Murphy Gibbs Kruezer Jamison Casboult Thomas Tuohy Bell will still be at the club next year. There is enough experience there to lead the next generation. With Cripps Graham Buckley Docherty Holman Jaksch Smith Giles all emerging we now need to add as many potential young elite players to our list and IMO the only real way is through the draft and by giving something up.

We may be able to sneak an Aish with a pick 20ish but that's rare.

3-4 Top 25 picks (used properly) along with 2-3 others can give our list a whole different look.

3 years of some smart tough decisions and we can be back up the top. I hope.

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I personally think he is top 5 but with the knee issue he may slip through.

If we made these trades we could easily line up like this sometime next year.

B: Buckley Jamison Tuohy
HB: Byrne Weitering Sheehan

Foll: Kruezer Cripps Graham
C: Docherty C.Curnow Aish

HF: Bell Jaksch Gibbs
F: Murphy Hipwood Casboult

Int from: Simpson Rice Holman DVR Smith Silvagni

Would people be happy with that as a start to the rebuild? Maybe one or two others like Giles Whiley BB or Walsh or some later selections could step up as well?

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From what I hear from one of the coaches in an under 18's team is that Curnow is just OK. He doesn't rate him all that much. Weitering and Shache well ahead of anyone else. If this was a decent draft, Curnow wouldn't be talked about.

Parish is like Marc Murphy and would be a good pick at 3 but from 3 to 10 take your pick, it really doesn't matter. So important to get a top 2 pick.

Francis has been a KP player (played as a key defender in his first game) but thinks he could be more of a Hoskin Elliot type in the AFL.

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Murphy will be a fair bit better than almost any player in the ND this year. I think he has a great season under overwhelming odds. How would he go at the Hawks? Or at any top 8 club? I agree we need to rebuild through the draft but the belief that those players we draft are going to be way better than what players we swap to get draft picks for them is not supported by history. What is the ratio of players who get to 100 games after about pick 5 in the draft to those who don't. And why are clubs going to give up first rounders for our few talented players when they can get comparable players via free agency. We need to draft really well but not imagine that if we swap any player for picks we are guaranteed a better player when the history of the draft shows the chances of that are remote. What we have done too often, apart from draft badly, is swap mid/late draft picks for fringe players from other sides.

I think Yarran may be traded because he looks like he doesn't care, which is a real pity because he has amazing talent.

Also, everyone throws around the word 'elite', can someone give me a definition? It seems an utterly meaningless term to me. There are players with more or less talent, and players with comparable talent. What is an 'elite' player? Is Mitchell elite even tho he is slow, is Cloke elite even tho he is a really unreliable set shot. Is NicNat elite even tho he takes few marks? Is Rioli elite even tho he gets low possessions? Is Priddis elite even tho he is slow and a poor kick? What is the measure?

Elite = High quality output consistently, small gap between high and low output.

The only place Smith is emerging from is the VFL reserves. Thought you'd know that.
Hate for Menz must be strong if Smith is emerging yet Menzel doesn't even rate a mention.


You thought he would be elite last year. You even tweeted it.

Rice is playing for the NBs v Collingwood in 2 weeks.

Take that as you will about which club he is picking.

Probably thinks he has a better chance of getting a game with us.
Someone posted this on BF and suggested it is as good as a done deal.

We would be smashed even further into the ground.

18 year old KPP's. Yep.

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They did.

I had to wait until today to have it confirmed - don't want to get excited over a false rumour.

What an experience for the kid - playing on the G in the curtain raiser.

He's a lifelong Carlton supporter. I really doubt a kid with his whole career ahead of him, who has been training at STK one day a week for a year or so, is picking us simply because he thinks he can get easy game time.

I will add - if Rice picks us as expected - SOS deserves a lot of credit. Before SOS came back, the club dropped the ball big time on Rice in recent years and he was odds on to pick STK. SOS put a mountain of work into Rice this year.

Captain in his first year after we trade literally everyone on the list.

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Would depend on your definition of A grader (or elite) however for the record, I have him in that category on current performance - no doubt about it.

However, I'm not interested in the now - I'm looking at when we realistically expect to be competing for top 4 - I can't see that happening within 3 seasons.

In which case, my question to you is whether you would still expect murphy to be an A grader at 31-33? If not, then there take the performance hit in the shorter term and bring in a couple young blokes or early picks that will contribute in the longer term.

Given that we will finish 16th-18th this year, will we really miss the loss of murphy's output for a season or two? - particularly once traded in players/picks are taken into account.

Given the state of our list as of this year, any current A or B grader who won't be sub-30-31 when we expect to start pushing for top 4 isn't worth keeping

Does that make Simmo elite?