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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:48 pm 
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Reckon people are getting a touch overemotional and melodramatic.
The Saints were copping floggings every week last year, and people predicted they wouldn't win a game this year.
Now suddenly they re the new black.
A few weeks ago, we were winninga few games, the kids were playing well, and there was a great vibe aroundthe Club and our supporters.
Then we run into a red hot Hawks side at the peak of their powers (probably the best side since the Lions 'threepeat' side) with over 1000 games more experience then us, and then lose Menz before the game even starts, and get predicably flogged, and people lose the plot and start saying we have to tear the place down and start again.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:51 pm 
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most people won't remember this game in 6 months

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:52 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
most people won't remember this game in 6 months

Is that when the record gets broken again :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:54 pm 
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Blue Boys wrote:
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most people won't remember this game in 6 months

Is that when the record gets broken again :lol:

Pretty sure we're getting a broken record right now

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:56 pm 
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We re not as bad as tonight, just like we showed we weren't as bad as those effortless performances in Micks last weeks in charge.
In saying that the honeymoon is well and truly over for Barks.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:57 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Boys wrote:
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most people won't remember this game in 6 months

Is that when the record gets broken again :lol:

Pretty sure we're getting a broken record right now


explain?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:11 am 
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You're repeating yourself a bit, but I understand the notion to do so

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:16 am 
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i didn't realise i had posted more than you in the past few minutes

my bad

you can have your site back now

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:25 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
most people won't remember this game in 6 months


http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-24/c ... medium=RSS

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Despite the lop-sided nature of the result, the triple-premiership coach said the Blues are on the right track by blooding youth under interim coach John Barker.

"They'll probably speak about this being Carlton's worst loss in their history, but I'd reckon this is the most inexperienced side they've put on the park in their history too," Clarkson said post-match.

"We all go through it. You go back to round 10, 2005 (when) the Hawks got belted by nearly 130 points by Port Adelaide over there.

"It was a really, really experienced Port Adelaide side and a really, really inexperienced Hawthorn side.

"I don't think it's any surprise that Carlton are in rebuild mode and they're giving exposure to a lot of kids. They would've been disappointed with tonight, because their effort has been a hell of a lot better over the last six-to-eight weeks.

"But sometimes when you come back from Perth, young side, six-day break, getting yourself ready to play a pretty formidable side, it's a really tough ask.

"They're on the right track as a footy club … it's not being shown right at the present time, but the method that they're going through and the way they're going about it is the right way for their club."

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:59 am 
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Jeez, if Al Clarkson is feeling sympathy for Carlton, then surely the end is nigh????

i am looking for the four horsemen outside my window right now...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:46 am 
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i didn't realise i had posted more than you in the past few minutes

my bad

you can have your site back now


Please post your balance to this argument on TalkingGrro.

That was as bad as it gets, but Hawthorn are pretty good. Smashed Fremantle and Sydney the last two weeks. Anyone who didn't think we were going to get worse is kidding themselves. The only way the loss was going to be under 100 points is if Hawthorn weren't switched on. They were.

Our style of play looks terrible, lots of turnovers, poor disposal etc. but at this stage we can play one of two ways

1. Attack like we did when Barker took over. We'll look better, fans will be excited, we may win a couple of games, but its not going to be a winning style against the really good teams, and the players won't learn the right way to play.

2. Play more defensively, start teaching the players now how to play right. Get something out of this season, find out who is capable of playing and who isn't.

A third option is a hybrid of those styles, but we're not even close to that.

Against the good teams we're screwed either way, but we may as well be trying to get something out of this season.

The scoredboard is really irrelevant for the rest of this season. Don't get caught up on it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:58 am 
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i can't emphasise enough just how debilitating the expansion clubs have been on the afl.

each week i watch between 3 to 5 games, and the standard of footy, not just ours is condemnable ... there are kids running around in the afl who simply are not up to standard. there's around 10-15 guys on our list who have all had a run this year in the seniors, who would never have come within a bull's roar of the afl, had it not been for expansion.

and look at expansion. gws, despite all that talent can't get people to their games b'cos they're lodged firmly in a rugby league & soccer heartland.

the GC are a blight on the game. no one goes to their games, and the gold coast is the place where professional sports teams go to die. right back from the giants and seagulls, and now the titans days ... the bears started at carrara and moved. the gc is such a transient city, no one there embraces the "local" team because of this transiency. and I know i'm from there, and have lived here on & off for 30+ years.

anyway, i digress.

the decision to run two expansion teams virtually at the same time has absolutely robbed afl fans of a worthy game to follow for a decade plus, thanks to talent dilution.

meanwhile, the clubs who are powerhouses at that time of expansion will remain so for the future as every worthwhile FA takes big pay cuts to join them in order to win a flag. and with talk of hawthorn getting dangerfield this offseason on a reduced rate because danger wants to win now, the end is no where near in sight.

let's not forget the afl have for years have penalised melbourne clubs through profit sharing and allowing interstate teams to enjoy salary cap concessions ... and those chickens are all coming home to roost.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:06 am 
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not sure what people expected

our dilemma has been obvious for a while now

cannot afford to continually make mistakes with drafting and recruiting

can't do anything about it during the season

nothing the board can do, the coaches, fitness staff etc etc

the horse has bolted

unfortunately didn't take our medicine after 2012, which makes it more difficult to become a force again

now we are in a quandary regarding how deep do you cut to reinvigorate the list

and for the life of me why did we recruit Jones, Tutt, Dick, Whiley, Jakcsh (sheesh)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:11 am 
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malthouse has set this club back another 2-3+ years by letting go betts, garlett, laidler and Co ... and coming back the other way, tutt, jones, whiley, jacksh etc ...

malthouse screwed the pooch.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:25 am 
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..unlike other clubs that stank and came good, we have crap off field leadership, a tanking mentality, and no patience to build slowly thru the draft,, and crap playing culture for over a decade..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:30 am 
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i can handle all of it, really, except for the tanking part.

i'm so fundamnetally against it, and what it stands for and the longterm cultural side effects from tanking. it's one thing to blood new kids, we need to. i get that.

but if it's true that SOS chucked his toys out of the pram after we beat port and demanded we go back to playing this negative game plan.

well that's just about as much as i can stomach of this team.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:39 am 
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I think we are underestimating the impact of losing a player like Judd to the playing group.

Added to that the trading of our entire forward line, which is a separate issue...

We can find some forwards in the draft, but Judd is a once in a generation player.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:50 am 
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..it's the off field rabble having too much on field control.. ..it's happened before, and is now happening again..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:45 am 
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Effes wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
most people won't remember this game in 6 months


http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-24/c ... medium=RSS

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Despite the lop-sided nature of the result, the triple-premiership coach said the Blues are on the right track by blooding youth under interim coach John Barker.

"They'll probably speak about this being Carlton's worst loss in their history, but I'd reckon this is the most inexperienced side they've put on the park in their history too," Clarkson said post-match.

"We all go through it. You go back to round 10, 2005 (when) the Hawks got belted by nearly 130 points by Port Adelaide over there.

"It was a really, really experienced Port Adelaide side and a really, really inexperienced Hawthorn side.

"I don't think it's any surprise that Carlton are in rebuild mode and they're giving exposure to a lot of kids. They would've been disappointed with tonight, because their effort has been a hell of a lot better over the last six-to-eight weeks.

"But sometimes when you come back from Perth, young side, six-day break, getting yourself ready to play a pretty formidable side, it's a really tough ask.

"They're on the right track as a footy club … it's not being shown right at the present time, but the method that they're going through and the way they're going about it is the right way for their club."


Is it really that inexperienced? I would be okay with it if we have a team of kids but I don't believe it's the case.

Jones, Tutt, Curnow, Jamison, Rowe, Murphy, Kruezer, Yarran, White, Henderson, Simpson, Everitt, Casboult aren't kids. They are experienced players but most aren't good enough. It's that simple.

Surely we need to realise that the list needs to be stripped back ala St Kilda & Bulldogs and rebuild. If Trigg thinks we just need to inject a few kids he is delusional.

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