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Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon* u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.

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Barker can coach, but can he coach us?

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Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon** u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.


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Barker can coach, but can he coach us?


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Bluey44 wrote:
yab the blue wrote:
Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon*** u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.


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probably, maybe, conceivably, presumably
a lot of handballing,
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redback wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
yab the blue wrote:
Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon**** u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.


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probably, maybe, conceivably, presumably
a lot of handballing,
just like micky
but no receives :yikes:

Can you say with certainty that Mick couldn't win a premiership with another current Afl team? Can anyone pick Carltons next premiership coach. There are no certainties.

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Bluey44 wrote:
Some good points made on this page.

I think we clearly made the right decision to move on, but let's not get carried away.

Mick wasn't the right person for the job. That's clear now, but a lot can change over 3 years.

Mick has a record of developing some great young talent - that's undeniable. But it didn't work out with our list. Maybe he was too old, maybe he was too deep into self preservation mode, maybe there were differences with Shane Rogers than we're not privy to, or maybe Mick just hasn't had to deal with a rebuild on the scale of Carlton before.

I'm still not convinced that all the blame lies with Mick. Some of these players clearly have developed a tendency to switch the intensity on and off when they feel like it. I think Barker's approach has obviously had a refreshing effect on the players, but there definitely needs to be some questions asked of the senior and midrange players when it comes to trade period.

I like the tempo we are playing under Barker so far.
I could be wrong, but there seems to be signs of a style developing that's mid way between Ratts and Mick.

However I hope the coaching selection panel is a bit more measured in their approach than some of the posters on here. Port is playing very average footy - they are a team with top 4 potential playing like a bunch of mediocre also-rans. Albeit they are probably missing a couple of key pieces to their list which might be holding them back. We are a team with some good talent but a lot of holes, capable of knocking on the door of the 8, but we are still only one win away from the wooden spoon.

Good win for Barker, but there's a long way to go.

If we lose Gibbs this week, and Ablett comes back, it could be a lot tougher than people think.



Yep, micky has done it all before
it's not mickys fault at all

yep not all poor mickys fault at it’s the players who pick and choose when to play
yep it's not the freedom they have been given to play
yep it's not the forward structures that have been missing for three years
yep it's not the multi tagging roles that have been relinquished
yep it's not the younger players that are allowed to develop their skills
yep it’s not the older players allowed to play their instinctive games
yep it’s not micky fault we can finally post a competitive score
yep it's the boards fault for hiring the alleged best coach to bring success to the club not micky himself
yep it's not the insipid game plan that we were forced to endure for over two years
yep it’s not the self indulgent arrogant and selfishness that has brought us to the state we find ourselves in after three years
yep it's not him surrounding himself with of his own under achievers
yep it's our lack of depth, youthful talent, recruiting and drafting that has suddenly emerged once micky became scarce
yep it's not even mickys fault that northern are finally playing a different, exciting and exuberant brand of footy that showcases their talents

yep, it's not mickys fault at all :roll:


You make a strong point.

I have to go with you.

We have shown potential which didn't exist with MM.

Critics contend that MMs game plan was antiquated as was the old arrogant fool. I'm sue Bluey44 doesn't know a lot of the inside issues that came with Mick. Like previous regimes we find out after the fact. What I've heard about MM...well I was wrong about him. What a prick of a pretender.

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yab the blue wrote:
redback wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
yab the blue wrote:
Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon***** u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.


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probably, maybe, conceivably, presumably
a lot of handballing,
just like micky
but no receives :yikes:

Can you say with certainty that Mick couldn't win a premiership with another current Afl team?


There's no need for us to buy i to it. The other clubs have spoken.
No one else was stupid enough to offer him a contract when we did and no one will in the future.
He's finished. We were the only ones who didn't realise it.

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yab the blue wrote:
Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon** u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.


Thus, Judd's role on the panel.
Knows the playing list inside out, what they respond to and what they don't etc

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Dominator_7 wrote:
yab the blue wrote:
Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon*** u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.


Thus, Judd's role on the panel.
Knows the playing list inside out, what they respond to and what they don't etc

Definitely a great addition to the panel.

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Dominator_7 wrote:
yab the blue wrote:
Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon*** u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.


Thus, Judd's role on the panel.
Knows the playing list inside out, what they respond to and what they don't etc



Sorry dom7 but getting a coach to just suit the current list should be the last requirement and even detrimental to our future success and I don't think that is the exclusive reason he's there
We need a coach to have a plan which he could be flexible to adjust as needs arise and be able to articulate and be open and forthright
he needs to be able to teach them to read the current situation and allow the list (young and old) to grow he needs to delegate and allow then to make their own decisions and take responsibility for those actions
This is the only way we will grow as a group and become a strong club again

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Anyone will look good after the Madhouse disaster!

I am certainly not swayed after just 3 games.

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Don't think anyone is seriously swayed, and Im sure more thrashings will come when we play teams like Hawthorn and Freo, butt Barker has done his cause no harm in what's transpired so far.
The theory of 'anybody would look good after Madhouse' is wrong also. So many recent caretaker coaches have taken over and thrashings have continued (eg Rawlings at Richmond and Melbourne, Viney at Melbourne etc)

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Don't think anyone is seriously swayed, and Im sure more thrashings will come when we play teams like Hawthorn and Freo, butt Barker has done his cause no harm in what's transpired so far.
The theory of 'anybody would look good after Madhouse' is wrong also. So many recent caretaker coaches have taken over and thrashings have continued (eg Rawlings at Richmond and Melbourne, Viney at Melbourne etc)

Is that his new nickname?

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if barker can get this playing to consistently be hard at it and up for each and every game ... he's a deadset miracle worker.

brittain, pagan, ratten and malthouse all failed in this department with this inherited playing/club culture.

i was at the point where no one on this list is capable of putting in an honest day's work. now barker has me believing again. He's already achieved what those previous coaches couldn't. three consecutive weeks of playing hard and putting the body on the line.

this week is the big test. whenever we've played hard and had a good victory one week, and the media and fans have sung the playing group's praises, they've come out the very next week and laid an egg.

if they come out and ragdoll the suns like they did port, we're very likely onto something with barker.


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Blues looking for the X-factor in coach

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... hzde6.html

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redback wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
yab the blue wrote:
Fitzroy supporters probably thought of David Parkin as a washed up coach after his tenure there, as we may have when we swapped him for Walls. He won another premiership with us. Pagen had success with Essendon**** u/19s and North, but didn't have the support of our players. Great coach, just not for us. Few coaches do well at multiple clubs. I'm sure every coach in the Afl has differing ideas on how the game should be played and won. They may make tweaks here and there, but none of them would change their whole philosophy. I suppose what I'm saying is, one of the main criteria of choosing a coach should be, does this coaches philosophy match our players attributes. If not, it's more the fault of those hiring than those hired.


Thus, Judd's role on the panel.
Knows the playing list inside out, what they respond to and what they don't etc



Sorry dom7 but getting a coach to just suit the current list should be the last requirement and even detrimental to our future success and I don't think that is the exclusive reason he's there
We need a coach to have a plan which he could be flexible to adjust as needs arise and be able to articulate and be open and forthright
he needs to be able to teach them to read the current situation and allow the list (young and old) to grow he needs to delegate and allow then to make their own decisions and take responsibility for those actions
This is the only way we will grow as a group and become a strong club again

we've had the friend and the tyrant now we need a teacher and leader



Agreed.

This and the fact we are rebuilding makes half our current list irrelevant.

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One of the commentators said "Blues less a corridor team under Barker than they were under Malthouse"

Can any of the forum stats aficionados confirm this?

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we've had the friend and the tyrant now we need a teacher and leader

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