Dangerfield would piss his pants laughing at us regardless of the offer we tabled to him.

Need a rebuild.........go and get Dangerfield instead.

That is so carlton.

That is exactly the same approach that we took with Judd (and Daisy Thomas for that matter) and look where we are now. No, we shouldn't pick up middle-age "stars" that will give us 5-7 years if we are lucky. We need to pick up quality kids that are going to play at least 10-12 years for the club and give us sustained success for the long term.

We are not in the position of picking up a Dean Rice, a Greg Williams or a Bradley Hogg to add to our Sticks, SOS, Braddles, Kouta, Ratts and Harry Madden. They are the core of a club that you build a quality team around. We don't have them yet. We have to find our next Sticks (12 years), SOS (17 years), Braddles (17 years), Kouta (16 years), Ratts (14 years) and Harry Madden (14 years). Get it?

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See i hate that word, Re-Build.
Imagine being a sponsor hearing Carlton say that. It's like saying "Hi everybody, we're shit so we're just gonna roll over and loose for the next 3 years so we can pick up early draft picks. If you guys were expecting some wins in 2016/2017....... yeah that's not gonna happen"

Hell, Carlton said we were in a Re-Build in round 3 of this year. No wonder our crowds have dropped off.
No wonder we're 10,000-20,000 members behind other clubs. We seriously aren't even one of the 'Big 4' teams now. We are overtaken a long time ago. And with good reason too, members want to be entertained, they want wins, they want a competition.

I'll never ever forget being at the G with all those Carlton supporters cheering on the Demons because we so desperately thought winning the 'Kreuzer Cup' would change everything.
I walked out at half time being sad that people wanted us to loose rather than win.

Now yes, Carlton have in the past just thrown the chequebook at players and coaches (Judd, Malthouse, Pagan, McKernan, etc etc) expecting us to win a premiership off the back of that........... and I'm not for a second expecting us to continue that practise.

However, Dangerfield is an A list player and a decent leader. The likes of Menzel, Cripps, and our younger draftees would benefit hugely from having players like that around and we would at least still be competitive and thus keeping supporters and sponsors happy.



I dunno, call me stupid but i don't think you can 're-build' without also installing a winning culture whilst doing so.

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Yeah, but what have those 'young kids' come into? A club that doesn't know how to be competitive and even to a point, doesn't want to be because we want early draft picks. What type of culture does that install in those kids?


Sticks, Kouta, SOS, Braddles etc etc - they came into a club that knew how to win because it wanted to win. Anything less than a win was unacceptable.

Now, we wanna loose so that we can 'rebuild'??? I just don't buy into that and i still think its the reason we are where we are today and why our players, including early draft picks, aren't developing into the superstars they should be.

Hell........ we have 3 x #1 picks on our list right now....... how many more bloody #1 picks do we need???? LOL.

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Not sure if even old George still has another 5-7 years left in him. By my calculations that'd take him past 50.

I disagree. Members, supporters and sponsors want clubs to have an awareness of their current predicament. You can't address deficiencies until you recognise them first.
In other words, we can't improve until we recognise the areas the require improvement. I'd suggest crowds, membership numbers etc have dropped away because the club has had it head up its arse trying to sell a turd disguised as a chocolate cake. Unfortunately for them, the supporters are no longer that gullible.
We want to see a real plan that gives us an opportunity to achieve success down the track. If that requires short term pain, the supporters, sponsors and members will stick fat. Look at the mid 2000s. We had our worst period but the highest membership growth. The trouble is the club took that good will and pissed it up against the wall.

I wouldn't sell Carlton supporters short. They'll back the club if it has strong direction.
To reinforce that, I'd expect the realisation and rectification of the Malthouse mistake will see crowd numbers improve as the season continues. The club needs to get the board room sorted now.

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Abso- frikking - lutely.

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No need to get Dangerfield or anyone like him for that matter. The club have decided, and wisely so that a scorched earth strategy isn't a good idea and the upshot of this is we will retain most of our senior types which means it's not necessary to get a Dangerfield (just because we want to avoid a 100% youth driven rebuild).

The other reason why we should not go a Dangerfield type is the cost involved. I would sooner use the $800 there to get two good young prospects at $400 each. Something like that anyway. And, the other thing to consider is if you get a FA and you also lose one in the same year (which could happen to us) then you forfeit your right to a compensatory draft pick. I'd sooner get another young kid on the list given we are a way off a premiership.

The Dangerfield route is OLD Carlton. I thought we were over that?

If we were fourth on the ladder you might do that, but last time I checked we were down the bottom somewhere.

Hey LB its actually been a weak draft since 2001!

Nice post BV.

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It is true the experts often say 'it's a weak draft' but this year they're still saying it deep into the U18s carnival, and from memory this is pretty unusual. Until such time they start changing their tune I think it's fair to assume this is a poor draft. Vic M often produce a lot of the talent and they're struggling this year so that is going to impact on numbers. Understand the counter arguement that other states might be stronger than usual but I am not convinced that makes up for the Metro shortfall.

Spot on

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Spot on BV

with warnock i think that if we delist him another club will pick him up, i would like somehow to get a draft pick for him (dont ask how) over to our list man staff.

Exactly.

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So im guessing it's a "No" for Dangerfield then. haha

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Nail....head...bang.

Weve been treated like chumps. ...not happening any more

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If Danger continues playing his current style - crash and bash- no way he has 5,6 or 7 years left. He'll be stuffed in 3/4 years. Haven't we learnt anything?

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