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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:51 pm 
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Has it been said Goodes was reacting to racist taunts in the crowd? You know, like Winmar rightfully did.....


Goodes says he wasn't, he just wanted to show off his junior footy war chant to celebrate the hugely important game deciding goal he kicked.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:27 pm 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeBu735nFYw&feature=youtu.be

Spoken by a man who was instrumental in getting Sheik Hilaly into the Grand Mufti position in Sydney.
He campaigned strongly for him.
Remember the good Sheik the one that came out and said girls deserved to be raped because they were like raw meat to a cat.
Please if you are going to try prove a point dont use the biggest wanker in the media to defend the biggest wanker in the AFL.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:08 pm 
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Did my post get deleted?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:11 pm 
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is Hilali the Sydney Mufti, isn't Walid from Melbourne, hasn't Hilali been the Sydney Mufti since the 80's? I am confused. I know sometimes Walid struggles with things done in the name of Islam and isn't always accurate because of those struggles, much like how some Catholics in the media struggled to come to grips with the horrible crimes committed by priests (faith is a blinding tool after all) but instrumental in Hilali's appointment, really? I did not know that.

And what the "good" sheik says is not what Walid says (in fact I thought Walid came out against Hilali when he made those horrendous statements) or are you tarring all Muslims with the same brush?

Funny how in your eyes the biggest wanker in footy is an Indigenous footballer and the biggest wanker in the media is a muslim...

still I understand how our preconceptions decide things for us. I think Bolt is the biggest wanker in the media and Eddie the biggest wanker in the AFL...but that says as much about what I think/believe as it does about them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:16 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
is Hilali the Sydney Mufti, isn't Walid from Melbourne, hasn't Hilali been the Sydney Mufti since the 80's? I am confused. I know sometimes Walid struggles with things done in the name of Islam and isn't always accurate because of those struggles, much like how some Catholics in the media struggled to come to grips with the horrible crimes committed by priests (faith is a blinding tool after all) but instrumental in Hilali's appointment, really? I did not know that.

And what the "good" sheik says is not what Walid says (in fact I thought Walid came out against Hilali when he made those horrendous statements) or are you tarring all Muslims with the same brush?

Funny how in your eyes the biggest wanker in footy is an Indigenous footballer and the biggest wanker in the media is a muslim...

still I understand how our preconceptions decide things for us. I think Bolt is the biggest wanker in the media and Eddie the biggest wanker in the AFL...but that says as much about what I think/believe as it does about them.

Buddy is indigenous and I think he is the greatest player in the AFL and a terrific role model
Nothing to do with him being indigenous Goodes is a wanker
And Walid is self opinionated talks over people and never allows anyone to express their opinion if it differs from his.

Did you hear he said the reaction to Goodes was Abbott fault
Wanker

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Aly said he had no idea who had made Hilali mufti and he represented no one. In fact, Aly’s own Islamic Council of Victoria had voted with other members of the Federation of Islamic Councils of Australia for Hilali to represent their faith.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:44 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
I actually think Goodes is as racist as anyone in this country, but we're not allowed to think like that because it's not PC


Agree. This is an issue still to arise. At the moment it's all one way. How about about everyone treating each other equally and without any bias regardless of race, religion, colour etc. It's having everyone's ideas, beliefs etc being shoved down our throats that gets people off side. Not racism itself.



Yes and really why do women leave the kitchen...and why should Jews wear those funny little hats...and...well why can't we just all leave things alone...you know...like, let the Europeans rule and stuff...cos you know our culture is the only culture...and just cos it's hard for an Abbo to get a cab at night...or in the day for that matter...and just cos from childhood to adulthood, they die at twice the rate of other Australians, and just cos as children, they are seven times more likely to be under protective orders, and three or four times more likely to be failing to make the grade at school... And I mean it was years ago...at least the 70's since we took any of their children...and really we've almost considered them human since Gough was a Minister...and well, it's not my fault they want to live so far from where we built our cities (well those that survived at any rate, the others...what did happen to them?)...I mean I'm not racist but fair shake of the sausage, lets just get on with can't we.

And just cos as adults, they are 17.5 times more likely to be in jail than other Australians, and just 'cos in WA alone, Aborigines make up 2.7% of the adult population, but almost half the state’s prisoners...wait...why is that? Oh I know 'cos they are inherently evil...not like us whitey's, that's why we get a second chance...but them...Lock 'em up and good riddance I say....

Most Indigenous Australian fail all but one of the school benchmark tests conducted in years 3, 5 and 7 to test reading, writing and numeracy...but stick our kids out in the outback and see how we go...no...no much better to make them feel stupid...I mean they make up 2% (or more) of the population but less than 1% of University students so you know...what does that tell you... I mean they just can't fit in...is it my fault if they sometimes feel like strangers in their own land...I say, make them swear allegiance to our Queen, to our Gods...to our way of life...and as for job interviews well I would hire them, I would but well, Johnny's dad played footy with me and our kids both went to that school (eh old chaps, biffity buff) and besides...you can't ever really trust 'em..walkabout and all that...

Loo at any time, more than one in 50 indigenous adults are in jail. What does that tell you! The vast majority male...'cos we know why that is don't we. It's a bit like those stupid sheilas going on about the tax on tampons or wanting the same wages or the same representation..fair dinkum leave me alone..I like being on top of the pile so @#$%&! off the rest of ya.

Oh wait I know, sheilas, blackfellas, chinks... they carry on and on...really it's just cos they are hopeless isn't it... I mean why can't they just shut up and act like the rest of us...or else go back to where they came from!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:47 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeBu735nFYw&feature=youtu.be


Such an eloquent speaker.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:53 pm 
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Waleed's right.

Also like the fact he choosing to express this opinion and not tow the line.

The AFL and Hawks have been weak on this and it will now get worse. Our fans doing it on Friday was moronic.

I hope that if the booing continues that some indigenous players speak out or take action.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:10 pm 
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Let's face it ....... S.Milne has copped more shit and booing from Carlton supporters (and others) than A. Goodes. His war dance didn't worry me one iota ...... I'd be upset if the All Blacks didn't perform the Haka. Perhaps Goodes should perform it every time he scores a goal. Don't care.

Thing is ..... you boo Goodes ...... it's a big deal. Even Waleed (he must have better things to do with his time) has to comment. You boo Milne (plus utter some obscene sh#t his way) ...... so what

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:47 pm 
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Just watched the game - pretty painful. Quite clear there is little class and no more than average skill in this side. Seems a general lack of confidence. Henderson was battered around but looks pissed off. If body language is anything to go by, he has already left. Yarran isn't interested either. Seems that many see it as too hard so why bother.
Cripps Docherty, Everett, Simmo, Rowe all had a dip and can play. Loved Wood's effort, ran himself into the ground and Levi was ok. Words fail me on Jones - cannot understand why we recruited this guy, Tutt also. Carazzo, Graham are now very average players. The journey back to higher ground will be a long one. Next coaching appointment critical. I liked the comment from Lingy - "Carlton needs to find the next Clarkson" - some one with a passion and fresh ideas (and judicious recruiting).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:33 am 
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So will a mod be decent enough to at least explain why a post I made about Carlton recruiting Goodes after his playing career is over was deleted? I'm just dying to see the reason behind it ...


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Sydney Blue wrote:
Aly said he had no idea who had made Hilali mufti and he represented no one. In fact, Aly’s own Islamic Council of Victoria had voted with other members of the Federation of Islamic Councils of Australia for Hilali to represent their faith.


You don't think that's a bit different from he was "instrumental"?

Does Buddy speak about racial issues?

Could the fact that you prefer Buddy over Adam in fact be an example of exactly what Walid is talking about?

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dannyboy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Aly said he had no idea who had made Hilali mufti and he represented no one. In fact, Aly’s own Islamic Council of Victoria had voted with other members of the Federation of Islamic Councils of Australia for Hilali to represent their faith.


You don't think that's a bit different from he was "instrumental"?

Does Buddy speak about racial issues?

Could the fact that you prefer Buddy over Adam in fact be an example of exactly what Walid is talking about?



Aly hit the nail on the head with his comment about reactions to the actions of people who 'don't know their place'.

And I'm yet to hear a convincing argument about why Goodes was booed so heartily against Hawthorn. He's annoyed the crap out of me in the past with some of the staging and dropping/holding the ball non-decisions he's got away with, but this doesn't usually translate into constant booing away from the incidents. Do the Sellwoods or Lindsay Thomas get booed to the same extent? Not all game, every game.

Adam can be both inspirational and bloody annoying but I'm glad he doesn't know his place.

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Kick, knee, trip, you rock Goodsey Goodsey 2 shoes !

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Fenwick Snap wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Aly said he had no idea who had made Hilali mufti and he represented no one. In fact, Aly’s own Islamic Council of Victoria had voted with other members of the Federation of Islamic Councils of Australia for Hilali to represent their faith.


You don't think that's a bit different from he was "instrumental"?

Does Buddy speak about racial issues?

Could the fact that you prefer Buddy over Adam in fact be an example of exactly what Walid is talking about?



Aly hit the nail on the head with his comment about reactions to the actions of people who 'don't know their place'.

And I'm yet to hear a convincing argument about why Goodes was booed so heartily against Hawthorn. He's annoyed the crap out of me in the past with some of the staging and dropping/holding the ball non-decisions he's got away with, but this doesn't usually translate into constant booing away from the incidents. Do the Sellwoods or Lindsay Thomas get booed to the same extent? Not all game, every game.

Adam can be both inspirational and bloody annoying but I'm glad he doesn't know his place.

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dannyboy wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Aly said he had no idea who had made Hilali mufti and he represented no one. In fact, Aly’s own Islamic Council of Victoria had voted with other members of the Federation of Islamic Councils of Australia for Hilali to represent their faith.


You don't think that's a bit different from he was "instrumental"?

Does Buddy speak about racial issues?

Could the fact that you prefer Buddy over Adam in fact be an example of exactly what Walid is talking about?

Danny you amongst all posters on this site like to dream about things of the past. About when times seemed better. We all at some stage long for life the way it used ti be. But at the same time we realise we must adapt and move with the times. We have all been critical of how Carlton has failed to embrace change and move into the more modern world. We all dont necessarily like change but we recognise it and live with it.
This is what I see is the difference between Buddy and Goodes. Buddy respects his indigenous heritage and has adapted to a more modern life and change. Goodes on the other hand wants to have all the benefits of modern life but live in another era of days gone by and constantly brings up the sins of the past.
Governments of all persuasion have tried to offer the indigenous people of this country a bridge from the past to the present.
Because they often refuse to accept that they brand us racist because we tell them if they dont adapt they will perish.
Now is that being racist.
Is it racist to tell a group of people that choose to live in a remote area of the country that they have to adapt move into modern times as they cant continue to fund you because you wont stand up for themselves.
We all like to live in the past we all have sins from the past but the world moves on and if you don't move with it you will be left behind .

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:47 am 
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Kick, knee, trip, you rock Goodsey Goodsey 2 shoes !


I've never liked Adam Goodes and I started to actively dislike him when he won the Brownlow in 2006 because I hate the way he plays, a dirty player who spends half the game appealing to the umpire.
I've never been one to boo particular players whenever they're near the ball but plenty of people do, and while I'm sure there are more than a few who have racial motivations there are bound to be plenty like myself who simply can't stand him as a player.

Interestingly, Chris Judd gets roundly booed as well. Brownlow medallists who have a history of dirty acts on-field aren't particularly well liked beyond their own supporters.

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Direct racial discrimination happens when someone is treated less fairly than someone else in a similar situation, because of their race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin. Indirect racial discrimination can happen when a policy or rule treats everyone in the same way, but has an unfair effect on more people of a particular race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin than others.

Think of the bold bit...

That's what's wrong (in my eyes) with your argument.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/06/02/ad ... al-racist/ - well it made me laugh.

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