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jimmae
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 12:53 pm 
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I loved Goodes's goal celebration.

A guy that's proud of his native Australian heritage and culture and not afraid to show it is pretty cool.

The hostility to him is weird, IMO.

The contention was simply the commentators claiming it was aimed at the opposition fans; Goodes claims otherwise but they were kicking to that end, that quarter and it was his first goal of the game, so everyone really should drop it.

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our overall structure and spacing across the ground was much better, but the biggest difference i noticed last night was the players were a helluva lot more relaxed.

maybe, possibly they're no longer scared of getting the hairdryer treatment from dick, i mean mick, if they make a mistake??

they used the corridor a few times, they only kicked backwards after the swans had turned it over and we had no spread. but in general play our set up was good and our play mostly positive.

i also noticed a distinct lack of our players with eyes-only for their man. that was pissing me off the most under dick, i mean mick. players abandoning all footy instinct and forgetting about the guy with the ball, while they mindlessly tracked their man mark. at stoppages our players were too busy trying to body up their man, rather than look for their own space and hunt the ball.


all in all ... after 2 days of having the team, Barker delivered on his word. more competitive and more focussed.

take any team's best defender (jamo) and best first bounce midfield (Kruezer, judd, murphy & gibbs) and then take a sprinkling of other handy players out on top of that (the irish lads) and put them against sydney ... and the reality is most will get done by 10 plus goals.

barker has the inside track to the coaching job. looking at the list of potential coaches being bandied around, Barker's resume reads as good as anyones. he's done an apprenticeship and woulda learned lots under clarkson, lyon and even malthouse. but with malthouse, he woulda been learning more about what not to do, and how not to coach a football team.

i'm opitimistic for the future under barker and after our bye round, i reckon we'll see steady improvement under him.

Ha, I just got it. Mick rhymes with dick, so you're making a little play on words. Cle-e-e-ver....


you overplayed it. again.

just when i think of mick, i think he's a dick.
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My main problem with Goodes was that he specifically targeted the Carlton section and unsurprisingly their response was quite hostile. Now that hostility will be played over and over again and the Carlton supporters in that footage will be vilified, accused of racism etc etc ad nausaeum for the next week and every indigenous round in perpetuity. Not really fair on people who have been enduring a pretty shit time as footy fans.
Had he done it in the direction of the Sydney cheer squad no-one in their right mind would have a problem with it.
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jimmae wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I loved Goodes's goal celebration.

A guy that's proud of his native Australian heritage and culture and not afraid to show it is pretty cool.

The hostility to him is weird, IMO.

The contention was simply the commentators claiming it was aimed at the opposition fans; Goodes claims otherwise but they were kicking to that end, that quarter and it was his first goal of the game, so everyone really should drop it.

Apparently now Goodes is saying he was stirring the opposition fans... well that was a douche move

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One thing they got wrong was when they said we love it when the Americans celebrate scoring in their sports... I don't, I think they look like complete tossers. :confused:

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Pafloyul wrote:
One thing they got wrong was when they said we love it when the Americans celebrate scoring in their sports... I don't, I think they look like complete tossers. :confused:


I enjoy spontaneous celebrations, particularly when it's at a pivotal point in a match.

Busting out a rehearsed celebration when you've kicked a simple goal to put your team 45 points up against the shittest team in the league makes you a wanker.

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No it was a premeditated deliberate war dance directed to the opposition fans. Tough boy like to see him do it against a strong team like the Hawks last week or Freo or heaven forbid against the Magpie army. I've never really got this Goodes booing thing but I'm started to see it now. The guys a knob!

How did our indigenous boys like the dance? They are just as proud of their background as the next bloke.

We are a weak team an easy target on and off the field.

Wonder what Syd Jackson thinks of it all?

Nicky Winmar's at Victoria Park of all places was a great strong bold spontaneous action that cut through for his people.

Goodes was....well purely a Goodes act....but no so good imo.
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Watched the game again and had a good look at everyone, the beauty of being able to stop, rewind and start again I guess.

No complaints besides Jones. There were just too many times where he goes up for the mark, doesn't take it and that's the end of his effort. One passage in particular where he goes up, hits the deck and just lays there watching his direct opponent scramble for the ball.

Besides Jones I thought everyone else had a dip. All week I feared a 100+ point belting, and the boys did their best and whilst still a belting, I am pleased with the effort they put in. Too early to say much more than that. Too many times we put in a good effort and then completely fall away a week later. Effort was there, and now consistency is the next target we need to meet.

Its all experience for the young blokes, and it will pay dividends long term, win lose or draw.

Isn't barker a breath of fresh air? Just watched his press conference. He didn't say Sydney are a very very good side once :P
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Don't worry about him. Lets talk about us.
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Goodes--- a champion of the game, a leader and role model amongst his people, a player who has used his stature in the game to get away with things that most other players couldn't get away with on the field.

That is why he is booed (in most cases).

Good luck to him. The more it is discussed, the more it happens. It is a non event
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who cares about adam dance,but i do care about our game plan,when are we going kick to leading fwd,how does opp fwd line become so open,how do swan players get on there own as for jones last chance try him in defence we should try everything now in mind for next year thouy in the centre and i still reckon if all the stars play we would of lost.
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*Edited due to paranoia*

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Goodes is a wanker... for reasons already discussed.
In saying that, I haven't and will not boo him... unless he's lining up for a crucial goal just like any other player.
His celebration although foreign to the eggball game, is something I'm used to as a fan of the round ball game and doesn't phase me one bit... bring it on I say.


My biggest issue today is the fact that we seem to be living on the pity of media and opposition fans... good effort, it was only 10 goals... get [REDACTED]
I hate what my club has become... again

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Rexy wrote:
Cripps and Bell are keepers.

Hendo Yaz and Menz may have checked out already.


Correct.

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I miss Eddie Betts and his Gangsta dance...

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Hornet wrote:
Goodes is a wanker... for reasons already discussed.
In saying that, I haven't and will not boo him... unless he's lining up for a crucial goal just like any other player.


Yes but it's one thing to have the good sense not to boo him yourself and another to know the reasons why others choose to. :wink:

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Pafloyul wrote:
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Goodes is a wanker... for reasons already discussed.
In saying that, I haven't and will not boo him... unless he's lining up for a crucial goal just like any other player.


Yes but it's one thing to have the good sense not to boo him yourself and another to know the reasons why others choose to. :wink:

Exactly :lol:

I certainly don't discourage the boos... I just don't dislike him as much as others do.

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I hate the patronising media... We tackled well this week- this ain't little league.

If we accept defeats like that, then we might as well fold as a club. What we now need to do is accept that this is the start of a three year journey back to the top 8. It will take that long unless all our recent recruits turn things around remarkably. Won't happen.

The team chose each week needs to be for developing the players for particular positions in 3 years time.

There will be three groups of players. Players that we know will be there in three years time. Those players will be given experience but will not be crucified. Then there are players that we are not sure about, they will have the heat placed on them to perform or be discarded. Lastly there are the soldiers there to plug holes and provide big bodies to protect the younger players. They will only be there for depth until they are replaced.

The journey will be complex and we will complain each week about team selection. So we might need to start thinking about the long-term re weekly team selections or how certain players are played on the field.
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Jones looked like he was playing his first ever game of AFL footy out there.
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buzzaaaah wrote:
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I loved Goodes's goal celebration.

A guy that's proud of his native Australian heritage and culture and not afraid to show it is pretty cool.

The hostility to him is weird, IMO.



Terrible act.

Have no problem with him doing any dance he wants but to aim a war dance focused on opposition fans is highly provocative and did in fact lead to unrest.

Then his little innocent act after the game.

If we had a fair dinkum competiton, he'd get reported. Whether he gets a fine, suspension or warning I don't care.
In the EPL or NFL he'd get a 3 week holiday.


Didn't Eddie Betts get fined a few years back for the finger?
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