“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Carlton owes MM nothing. He is a highly paid, media savvy employee. He not only knows how to play the game, he plays it hard for self interest. He is a petulant self focused man when the pressure turns onto him.

The media are dredging the bottom of the barrel with crap about pissing on his legacy.

MM will not be sacked. He will be told he won't be coaching in 2016, what ever happens after that is his reaction and his decision. The board will enable him to coach for the remainder of 2015, if he doesn't, that's his call.

The club has been resolute that a decision will be made about the coach for 2016 in the 2nd half of the season, this is exactly what's occurring.

There are many stakeholders in Carlton, the supporters are one, members are one, sponsors are another, the AFL, the media, and there are multiple others as well. All need to be considered with differing levels of priority.

TC is for hardcore Blues fans. We are not the only one's reacting to the club's position and announcements. The board needs to cater for all interested parties and, believe it or not, some sectors will always react negatively to any decision.

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I reckon 90% of footy people would have told you this before hiring him.

Shows the board to be incompetent, but I take it they get to stay?

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I hope Essendon* folds.

If Ratten was removed after 2 years and 8 games the 'supporters' would de-construct Princes Park really, really quickly. As supporters we're still stuck in the jingoistic 70s and 80s. We need to grow the @#$%&! up or perish.

The club has been toxic for well over a decade. The toxic waste has leaked out. Even the EFC* look good compared to us at the moment.

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This is out-doing the Smorgan/Pagan/Mitchell debacle.

Hey Cimm,

I reckon that's a quantum leap.

Yep most knew he was petulant, however, immediately before being hired his methods turned average Pies teams into successful teams. He hasn't been able to do it at Carlton. Surely the Club shouldn't have to persist simply because of a failure to do the same at Carlton?

Cheers
OR

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[quote“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”[/quote]
He's playing them like a harmonica.
They're not going to sack him? Wait till he begins referring to mark as "Fatboy".. And trigg as "4is"..

You don't want to go to war against Mick..
Just pay him the money and sack him....

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Mick won't go away like Mitchell and they can't rehire him like Denis.
He's an all time AFL legend coach.. And mark took away all motivation for the club for 66. Games.

Mick is going to sink his teeth into mark... I feel sorry for mark now

Mick's gong to rock up to the next game looking frail and in a wheelchair..

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He's a little more than petulant, that's been known for a long time.

His only success was at two incredibly well run and professional organisations. Every resource provided and every whim catered.

That's the problem, the people running the show (at our footy club) think they run a well run and professional organisation, when all evidence suggests otherwise.

No imminent resignations I take it? Nobody willing to take the blame?

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Mick will walk, Nanette's health will be offered up as the reason, he'll maintain his "dignity".

MLG has MM's measure in spades. Runs rings around him.

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Sack him and we have turned into Melbourne.
Blaming the Coach to save yourself is disgusting.

We are not a top 8 side period.

I'm pretty upset with the way we have going but this was always going to happen.

Even 2011 when we finished 5th we never had any depth.
The Eagles went from wooden spoon to top 4 for gods sake.

This is the reality check people don't like or want see.
I really hope the board isn't out to save themselves ....

http://youtu.be/IGu7cbLRUIs

Yeah I seen him running rings around him... Minus three million and a club at the bottom..
Meanwhile Mick gets the cash.
His record..
No wooden spoon
And a holiday in Tahiti with the Mrs.

Mark will have to get on the hotline for some good old fashioned AFL assistance..

The thing about mark is is not his fault.. It's the previous administration that's to blame.
Excellent operator

“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of their own failings. They should hang their heads in shame.”

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Soooooooo, nothing to see here, move on.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I love the irony in the original MLG message:

We always said we would wait until the 2nd half of the season, we always said we wouldn't kneejerk, we always said we wouldn't rush into anything and that there would be a fair, independent process................

But now that the press are all over us and things aren't going well....we are going to wait until the bye before we kneejerk, sack the coach and hurriedly find a potential saviour!

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Whatever

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“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of failures "

Pretty soon the media will be singing fabulous songs and reciting memorable poems about the prickly legendary coach... They're going to tell us how much they miss him.

That Carlton board sacrificed him to camouflage their erectile problems..

Can't wait

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Bravo OR.
Mick has blamed everyone but himself.
He walked in and said a rebuild from day 1. Then he realised he lost the players (2 full years mind you and 2 preseasons) and more importantly lost key players to other clubs. He now starts to panic and backpedalling with his contract up.
He puts the pressure on his assistance, his family , the players again and the finally plays his ace - the board!!!!
Truly

What do you mean by " he walked in? "

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I suspect he means that after being offered a role as a senior employee, that upon commencement at his place of employment, he arrived and brought an attitude which could be described the way that Surrey did.

If the statement had been made by someone other than Surrey would you have been so pedantic or are you simply scoring cheap points...........again?

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Synbad - you have to be fair.
I'm not saying the board is totally innocent here, they are not. They made an appointment at the time they felt a seasoned coach will take this list where an inexperienced coach couldn't. Last roll of the dice and it failed.
But MM has flowered this up so much, it's beyond repair. Made terrible trades and lost key players without taking any responsibility.
You hire a person to do a job and you give them leverage to do it. Board hired him and need to take some blame but also all the decision made towards the playing list, game plan, fitness, etc. are MM's responsibilities. No hiding from that fact.