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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 10:20 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:49 am 
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I'd trade out Henderson and Gibbs for first rounders and Jammo for a early second

That gives us pick 1, ?, ?, 19 and 25 - 5 picks inside 25

Pick one on Weiterman
Pick ? For a gun mid
Pick ? For a gun mid
Pick 19 on a tall
Pick 25 creative half forward

Convince James Aish to walk out to the PSD

Fingers crossed Cameron Giles foot can come good
Tom Fields continue on with development
Clem Smith, Buckley, Rainbow, Sheehan and Byrne develop into attacking half backs and that allows Touhy, Yarran and Docherty to move into the middle with Murph, judd (who is ask to stay on one more year) Cripps and Aish

Midfield depth
Murph
Judd
Cripps
Aish
Docherty
Touhy
Yarran
Whiley
Graham
Bell
Curnow
Pick ?
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:50 am 
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I hope the comments by Caroline Wilson and in the HS are correct. If so, we are actually planning and looking at a long term rebuild which IMO is great.

I'm hoping that we can achieve something like the following:

Picks 1, 19, 37, 55 & 73

Maybe we can get an Aish with PSD

then trade

Henderson - 1st round pick
Gibbs and/or Yarran - 1st round pick & 3rd round pick

Get a good young player (i.e Docherty) with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.


We could then have approx. picks 1, 10, 15, 19, 37, 40, 55 & 73 plus Aish with PSD.

We then need to bring in a minimum 4 rookies.

Probably dreaming but if we could get somewhere near that I would be very happy and it would be exciting to see. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:56 am 
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the problem with gibbs and yarran are they are still young enough to really help provided we get the coaching and gameplan right. the risk of drafting as good or better players then them – both with what they offer now and will continue as they reach their prime – is pretty high.

we can't trade away players for picks just for the sake of it. there has to be a method to the madness.

ie if we have a player to draft firmly in our sights and have done all the right things (re scouting) then sure, trade a player to move up in the draft to get them. but if we're not doing due diligence in scouting and building a list we have a vision and strategy for, all we're doing is shuffling the deck chairs.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:59 am 
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My List for 2016 would be:

Walker
Menzel
Murphy
Gibbs or Yarran
Buckley
Kruezer
Cripps
Boekhurst
Docherty
DVR
Rowe
Jaksch
Giles
Holman
Tutt
Whiley
Smith
Foster
Bell
Graham
Everitt
Curnow
Casboult
Touhy
White
Aish
Young player

Picks 1, 10, 15, 19, 37, 40, 55 & 73

Upgrade Sheehan, Byrne & Walsh.

Rookies

Gowers, Wood, Fields plus another 5 new kids.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:08 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
My List for 2016 would be:

Walker
Menzel
Murphy
Gibbs or Yarran
Buckley
Kruezer
Cripps
Boekhurst
Docherty
DVR
Rowe
Jaksch
Giles
Holman
Tutt
Whiley
Smith
Foster
Bell
Graham
Everitt
Curnow
Casboult
Touhy
White
Aish
Young player

Picks 1, 10, 15, 19, 37, 40, 55 & 73

Upgrade Sheehan, Byrne & Walsh.

Rookies

Gowers, Wood, Fields plus another 5 new kids.


They would never go for it but would Pick 1 and Gibbs/Yarran be too much for Shiel and Treloar?? Would GWS need to throw in their first rounder or not? I'm terrible with trade scenarios.

I would rather keep our pick 1 if we come last but... i dont have much faith in our club at the moment.

I like what you have there though Psych. Plus I'm a big Walker fan so anyone who still has him in their team gets a big :thumbsup: from me!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:11 am 
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I think Walker can still have 2-3 years as a mid size forward. He is athletic and hasn't lost any speed. He has been playing with a bad knee. Once he gets over that he will be fine.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:13 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I hope the comments by Caroline Wilson and in the HS are correct.

Can you shed further light on this? The HS article is subscriber only.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 10:49 am 
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The pre-season draft is a dying recruitment tool. I don't see us getting a big name recruit thru the PSD. Getting Aish or Shiel or any other above average talent thru the PSD is extremely wishful thinking IMO. In the last 2 years we've seen two players picked via the PSD; Jed Lamb and Jason Tutt.

It's not a good strategy to be relying on it as a recruitment tool. If we land anyone of value it's a bonus, it shouldn't be an expectation.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:24 am 
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It's not dying so long as uncontracted players can be held ransom if they don't meet the eligibility criteria for free agency, which still does happen. It's also a great way for bottom-placed teams to scoop a bit of talent from the rookie draft if they weren't quite sure on a few names in the national draft and wanted to see some of them in a professional environment.

That said it'll only take one club using the bare minimum 3-4 picks at the draft, leaving 3 or 4 list spots open and inviting the likely first 2 rounds of the rookie draft down to train before the AFL changes things around. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:26 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
billc3 wrote:
dane wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
dane wrote:
Retire:
Walker


Now, I know some people may think I've been hitting the cones but would it be worth considering putting him forward before retiring him.
Just a crazy thought I know but I believe he performed quite OK last time he played there.

Just putting it out there.


Got the rest of the year before the retirement.
Might play on if he can go forward and make a difference.

Damn crazy talk....


Poor guys been struggling with a knee injury. He will be fine.

I agree about playing him forward. Could easily play for another 2-3 years in that role.

Why would we play someone in a position they are suited to? That doesn't teach them a lesson OR show them who's boss....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:23 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Gee look at the form of the ex Blues....

Betts....best small fwd in the AFL by a space and Adel say their best ever recruit :yikes:
Jeffy.....one of Dees best....another great decision Blues :banghead:
Waitey......love him or hate him he flys the flag and can play :cry:
Grigg....has his detractors but did some very good things against the Filth :sad:
Sauce.......just a solid unit, and we had four rucks to choose from
Robbo.....yeah ok he's a party boy but he has a dip, and been great last 2 weeks :confused:
Josh Kennedy. Nuff said :oops:

What a joke we are.


Yep we underrated the players right under our own nose yet decided to give up pick #11 for McLean, an early 2nd rounder for Warnock (Beams, Hannebery and a few others were available at that pick) and sign up Daisy on a 4 year $2.8mill deal.

Early days I know but the Jaksch/Whiley trade isn't looking good - neither is Boekhorst for that matter.

When you consider that both Henderson and Docherty fell into our laps it is clear how bad our recruiting has been.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:37 pm 
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Have been told that the preference of SOS is to let Kruezer walk in FA. Apparently Coll are into him massively.

If he gets a contract of plus $400 k at his new club, the club could get a second round pick for him as compensation.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:55 pm 
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John James wrote:
Have been told that the preference of SOS is to let Kruezer walk in FA. Apparently Coll are into him massively.

If he gets a contract of plus $400 k at his new club, the club could get a second round pick for him as compensation.


Sold :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:56 pm 
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Imagine if he got us first round pick compo? That'd be more a steal than pick 3 for Frawley.

400k could get us end of first round? I guess if we come last end of first round = second round anyways.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:00 pm 
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Do you reckon we will get anyone better than Big K in the 2nd round? Let him get on the park, he has the grunt we need. The only guy from the ND 2004-2010 picked after #6 that's still on our list is Armfield. Picks don't guarantee players. We have shown how good we are at drafting players who won't make it. Big K has little market value but a potentially good upside. Other clubs suspect we are going to have a fire sale. I predict we will alienate what talent we have by putting them on the block and not getting good offers, unload senior players for middling draft picks which we will use on the new Josh Bootsma, pay way over the odds for an injury riddled free agent and then get a player as good as Liam Jones and give him a three year contract


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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John James wrote:
Have been told that the preference of SOS is to let Kruezer walk in FA. Apparently Coll are into him massively.

If he gets a contract of plus $400 k at his new club, the club could get a second round pick for him as compensation.


By?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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Why would Collingwood be interested in Kreuzer given they have B Grundy?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:10 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
Do you reckon we will get anyone better than Big K in the 2nd round? Let him get on the park, he has the grunt we need. Since 2004 the only guy from the ND picked after #6 is Armfield. Picks don't guarantee players. We have shown how good we are at drafting players who won't make it. Big K has little market value but a potentially good upside. Other clubs suspect we are going to have a fire sale. I predict we will alienate what talent we have by putting them on the block and not getting good offers, unload senior players for middling draft picks which we will use on the new Josh Bootsma, pay way over the odds for an injury riddled free agent and then get a player as good as Liam Jones and give him a three year contract


Just as a hypothetical - say they get a pick after our second for Kruezer. That is if we finish last.

Our second pick would be 19. Thus compensation for Kruezer would be Pick 20.

A number of options.

With the new academy bidding rules, Sydney will be closed out of the early rounds with giving up picks for Mills. Sydney may want to re-enter the draft because they have to replace Richards and Grundy shortly.

A pick 19 or 20 could get Mitchell.

Not that I believe Aish will come here but Pick 19 or Pick 20 by itself could get Aish.


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 Post subject: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:18 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I hope the comments by Caroline Wilson and in the HS are correct. If so, we are actually planning and looking at a long term rebuild which IMO is great.

I'm hoping that we can achieve something like the following:

Picks 1, 19, 37, 55 & 73

Maybe we can get an Aish with PSD

then trade

Henderson - 1st round pick
Gibbs and/or Yarran - 1st round pick & 3rd round pick

Get a good young player (i.e Docherty) with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.


We could then have approx. picks 1, 10, 15, 19, 37, 40, 55 & 73 plus Aish with PSD.

We then need to bring in a minimum 4 rookies.

Probably dreaming but if we could get somewhere near that I would be very happy and it would be exciting to see. :wink:


Of course we are planning. Too much negative perception and rumour is clouding people's minds.


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