I've just made a list as a starting point or a guide. I don't have much hope for most but we need to start somewhere. Problem is our list is so bad we don't have much negotiating power.

The system doesn't allow us to sack the lot and start again. I realise the contracts with Thomas, Jones etc and there is not much we can do there especially given our financial situation. Personally I'd sack them both and pay them out but it won't happen.

We are going to have 2-3 years of real pain but we need to start. ATM I don't care about winning. I want to see a plan that gives us hope and in the AFL it's through the draft and with getting kids.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

You like Freo? Do you remember how Freo treated us in the dark years??

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I am lucky enough to be young enough to not remember the dark ages that well except for the fact we sucked.

Anyone see the Bulldogs today? May not have won but went close against the in form side in the comp. Not only that thye play a positive and exciting style of football.

Surely this is the model we need to follow and even improve upon. 2-3 years of pain is tolerable if you can see a future. That's what they have done. I hope we do the same.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Same. Painful losses are sufferable if you can see a plan and a purpose.

At the moment we have neither which makes the losses insufferable.

We have neither the list or the talent to play anyway near the level of the Western Bulldogs, who had 14 players today who have played under 50 games.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

The thing with this rebuild this time is that we don't have a Fev to look forward to watching whilst the team develops and goes through some bad losses.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Delist Senior: Holman, Ellard, Warnock, Watson, Carrazzo
Delist Rookie: Wood, Russell, Johnson

Assess fitness for 2016 (plan B in brackets if they don't come up): Giles (re-rookie), Sheehan (delist), Simpson (retire), Judd (retire), Walker (trade), Thomas (trade)

Must seek trade, otherwise retain: White, Rowe, Jones, Tutt

Integrate into regular senior football: Smith, Boekhorst, Jaksch, Byrne, DVR, Foster, Graham

Ideal 22 in 2016:

FB: Byrne Jamison Sheehan
HB: DVR Henderson Tuohy
CC: Gibbs Murphy Yarran
HF: Buckley Everitt Boekhorst
FF: Menzel Casboult Bell

RR: Kreuzer Cripps Docherty

Int: Smith Whiley Thomas Judd

EMG: Jaksch Curnow Graham

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

We don't need a leader lie Hodge, Selwood, Boak because we already have one apparently........daisy should be our next captain

MM got him specifically for that reason - his leadership, hard work blah blah blah

I really like the way he does those diving tricks, almost a smother better luck next time routine, he is a classic!

We need to give to get and this list clearly isn't cutting it.

We have some currency with Gibbs so if the chance with Adelaide arises we should take it.

The same with Menzel but only for the right trade/pick.

Jamison could be on his last legs so Rowe might be our best option for the time being.

Also like the sound of Walsh but have heard different reports.

Is't that why we need to rebuild?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

If they want something, let them come to us then.

I'd rather edge our way up the draft order by trading out players who are AFL capable, but are not helpful to us beyond an 18-month window. We've got some rookies who I'd happily elevate now.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I hope not!

If we line up with that in 2016 we have once again wasted another draft and trade period and really are a basketcase.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Agreed.

I don't think Gibbs is going to give us much so would happily let him go for the right price.

Menzel would hurt more but I worry he could be another Gibbs but that is a bit harsh seeing he hasn't had a good crack yet but for a Motlop and one of their up and coming midfielders I would do it (or an early pick).

Not 2 weeks ago you said we need to avoid trading and free agency?

Ideally we shouldn't be dropping players straight into the football team unless they bring some elite AFL attributes. Weitering wouldn't walk into any side, for example.

I don't think we're getting Dangerfield, I think we should take a risk on a running tall like Grant or Otten if we can integrate them into our forward unit, and look at Suckling and Rance if the price is right and they're willing.

I think, for now, we've missed the boat on cheap trades that improve the club unless we get another Docherty situation.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Unfortunately I believe guys like Gibbs & Menzel are players you get to finish off your list. IMO they aren't heart and soul players. They are not leaders they are finishers. Both would do really well in a good side where they are the 3rd of 4th mid or forward. That's why I believe we need to trade them and hopefully get something good for them.

It's needs to be about the club not individual players.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

and I haven't changed that opinion.

I believe we need to trade for picks and the only trade situation I would trade would be a Docherty type. Talented young kid for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

If we draft properly I would expect a number of those players to be playing in 2016. Our list and 22 should have a new look. One because they are talented and two because we are REBUILDING.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

If it's about the club and the culture, then appoint people who can inspire the group to take strides forward and raise the effort levels in their preparation.

For mine that's names like Judd, Thomas, Docherty, Cripps, Simpson, Curnow, Bell, Yarran, Everitt, Kreuzer. These are blokes that go above and beyond, who get the trainers tell them to take it easy. We want their kind of intensity and focus to be the blueprint of our preparation.

Our opening training sessions are a joke in terms of ball skills and match sim; we go through them at half pace!

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I think their output for a season should be viewed within the scope of growth of performance in an 18-24 month period.

You don't play someone based on draft number or age bracket: you play them because they're in the mix and they have tangible upside that will come from being brought up to AFL level. Not every 1st and 2nd year player will bring that.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.