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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:10 am 
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Yep, it's contrived 'theatre'.

The AFL will probably step in and 'manage' Micks respectful exit.... then invite Triggy and SOS over to AFL hq on a weekly basis to sort out our finances and the FD.... all the while our board will continue to pretend they know what they're doing.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:21 am 
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Its not hopeless though.

Its a shit situation, but the AFL will bail us out for the same reason they did Melbourne, Port Adelaide, etc.

Are we going to improve as a club off our own volition? Nah, we'll improve because its in the best interests of the powers that be to ensure we do, kicking and screaming.


oh, that's what you meant.
well, they made Melbourne get Peter Jackson as a condition,
so....
if it's the only way..
could be like the kid who gets jailed and it saves his life.
It is downright hopeless right now though.
A year of this?
huge losses at the gate,
losing kids for good most likely
board tempted to buy in more players or old hack coaches?
that sounds like Misery Lane to me.

Then we have the constant pain of Synners (who I love btw..) inculcating us
(thanks JE..good word!) trying to do God knows what ..start a revolution of TC'ers?
and never using his talent to help bring a spill to the board..
it's tiring and bloody depressing.
donchathink?

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:49 am 
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we have to get rid of this fool
he knows he's a dead man walking so he is doing everything in his power to take us down with him
he will destroy the young players, our supporter base, our finances and so on and so on

he has always hated carlton and now is making a personal statement

make no mistake, he is a very very twisted individual


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:55 am 
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 9:56 am 
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redback wrote:
we have to get rid of this fool
he knows he's a dead man walking so he is doing everything in his power to take us down with him
he will destroy the young players, our supporter base, our finances and so on and so on

he has always hated carlton and now is making a personal statement

make no mistake, he is a very very twisted individual



no question that decisions need to be made about him....timing rather than yes or no.

your comments above say alot more about you than the unsubstantiated rubbish you are offering up about him


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:11 am 
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talk in the post game thread about what we can do re about the board and overthrowing.

in the championship league (division under the BPL), go google blackpool's final game of the year after they were already relegated weeks before it.

the game got abandoned because all the fans – as one – took to the field and looked right up at the corporate box where all the board & president watch the games from and demanded they stand down and jog on.

i know it's drastic and it might not even work, but desperate times and desperate measures, people power and all that. if enough people did that, the board would have to start thinking about an exit strategy, would they not?


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:16 am 
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They're but exiting.
You see most of them run family businesses. Do things their way and are successful away from football
They're not responsible to anybody

I know people from Carlton boards on a superficial basis and have spoken to them about their philosophies.
There are constant themes.
They're not going anywhere.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:19 am 
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when the 6 o'clock news and all the papers and websites are screaming about carlton fans storming a ground and having a game abandoned, and their sole focus was on the board resigning on masse immediately.

that will be a curveball to their plans and they may get enough heat to walk away.


imo, action will always best moping on a forum board complaining about the need for change.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:25 am 
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Synbad wrote:
They're but exiting.
You see most of them run family businesses. Do things their way and are successful away from football
They're not responsible to anybody

I know people from Carlton boards on a superficial basis and have spoken to them about their philosophies.
There are constant themes.
They're not going anywhere.




I use Adrian Gleeson for financial advice and I've seen my investment portfolio, like my football club dissappear. :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:27 am 
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I'll repeat a story I told here a few years ago which was told to me by 2 Collingwood assistant coaches.

Malthouse arrived at Collingwood and early in his tenure he held a team meeting in one of their rooms. He called Buckley up the front and pointed to an item asking what colour it was (For arguments sake, we'll say it was a whiteboard).
Buckley replied "white". Malthouse said, "no its black, what colour is it"
Buckley said "it looks white to me". Malthouse replied 'if i say it black, its black" He then asked Buckley what colour it was and Buckley replied black.
Malthouse turned to the playing group and said, "I don't give a @#$%&! what colour he thinks it is or any of you, it's what I say it is"

The point is, Malthouse believed Buckley held some form of influence over the group (being captain) and he wouldn't accept that. With Mick there is one leader and everyone falls in behind him. For the first year Malthouse ridiculed Buckley plenty of times to ensure any influence he had was well and truly eroded.
Mark Neeld tried the same thing at Melbourne by removing their leaders and putting Grimes and Trengove in charge. Remove any influence of the previous leaders so theres one man in charge.
That's why Mick chose his leadership group when he came to Carlton. The club can say 100 times that Judd didn't want the job but Judd was never going to keep the position anyway.

Now some people may think this philosophy is OK but the trouble with having 1 leader and one person holding all the influence is when the players don't have the support of that person or no longer have faith in him, what do they have?
Mick won't admit his faults. There isn't a strong leadership group to support them.
The assistant coaches have little influence.
At the strong clubs there are teams within teams. The Hawthorn back line are a unit themselves. They support each other on and off field. If one of their team mates are struggling, they'll zone off their man at every opportunity to assist him. They change the match ups to suit on field. Our youngsters can only dream of that.

So when I see Watson on the bench looking absolutely devastated, I feel for him and his family. He didn't ask to be drafted to this shit fight of a club. At a good club he'd know his role, he's have support around him, he'd be getting more than a piss poor 32 inside 50s with zero structure in place to show his wares. If he didn't make it, it wouldn't be from a lack of support.

I've heard third hand stories from the parents of a couple of our young players. These players were highly rated coming out of the TAC system. They were confident, ambitious and loved their footy.
At the moment both of these players are a shell of their former self. Massively lacking confidence, not wanting the ball to come near them. Devastated at our current plight and it is significantly affecting them away from footy.

Now we can sit here and kick the shit out of them but put yourself or your kids in their position. It's every man for himself out there at the moment. No one is supporting each other because they are so scared of making mistakes. No belief in themselves.
The coach won't admit the game plan or structures are letting them down so where do they apportion the blame?
Even our most senior players are lacking confidence at the moment. Imaging being one of our youngsters.
Our immediate problem isn't losing games, it's the damage being done to our players.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:29 am 
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london blue wrote:
redback wrote:
we have to get rid of this fool
he knows he's a dead man walking so he is doing everything in his power to take us down with him
he will destroy the young players, our supporter base, our finances and so on and so on

he has always hated carlton and now is making a personal statement

make no mistake, he is a very very twisted individual



no question that decisions need to be made about him....timing rather than yes or no.

your comments above say alot more about you than the unsubstantiated rubbish you are offering up about him



do you need a bed or do you usually sleep standing up?


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:38 am 
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redback wrote:
london blue wrote:
redback wrote:
we have to get rid of this fool
he knows he's a dead man walking so he is doing everything in his power to take us down with him
he will destroy the young players, our supporter base, our finances and so on and so on

he has always hated carlton and now is making a personal statement

make no mistake, he is a very very twisted individual





no question that decisions need to be made about him....timing rather than yes or no.

your comments above say alot more about you than the unsubstantiated rubbish you are offering up about him



do you need a bed or do you usually sleep standing up?


good luck redback. im sure you'll get through this


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:06 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I'll repeat a story I told here a few years ago which was told to me by 2 Collingwood assistant coaches.

Malthouse arrived at Collingwood and early in his tenure he held a team meeting in one of their rooms. He called Buckley up the front and pointed to an item asking what colour it was (For arguments sake, we'll say it was a whiteboard).
Buckley replied "white". Malthouse said, "no its black, what colour is it"
Buckley said "it looks white to me". Malthouse replied 'if i say it black, its black" He then asked Buckley what colour it was and Buckley replied black.
Malthouse turned to the playing group and said, "I don't give a @#$%&! what colour he thinks it is or any of you, it's what I say it is"

The point is, Malthouse believed Buckley held some form of influence over the group (being captain) and he wouldn't accept that. With Mick there is one leader and everyone falls in behind him. For the first year Malthouse ridiculed Buckley plenty of times to ensure any influence he had was well and truly eroded.
Mark Neeld tried the same thing at Melbourne by removing their leaders and putting Grimes and Trengove in charge. Remove any influence of the previous leaders so theres one man in charge.
That's why Mick chose his leadership group when he came to Carlton. The club can say 100 times that Judd didn't want the job but Judd was never going to keep the position anyway.

Now some people may think this philosophy is OK but the trouble with having 1 leader and one person holding all the influence is when the players don't have the support of that person or no longer have faith in him, what do they have?
Mick won't admit his faults. There isn't a strong leadership group to support them.
The assistant coaches have little influence.
At the strong clubs there are teams within teams. The Hawthorn back line are a unit themselves. They support each other on and off field. If one of their team mates are struggling, they'll zone off their man at every opportunity to assist him. They change the match ups to suit on field. Our youngsters can only dream of that.

So when I see Watson on the bench looking absolutely devastated, I feel for him and his family. He didn't ask to be drafted to this shit fight of a club. At a good club he'd know his role, he's have support around him, he'd be getting more than a piss poor 32 inside 50s with zero structure in place to show his wares. If he didn't make it, it wouldn't be from a lack of support.

I've heard third hand stories from the parents of a couple of our young players. These players were highly rated coming out of the TAC system. They were confident, ambitious and loved their footy.
At the moment both of these players are a shell of their former self. Massively lacking confidence, not wanting the ball to come near them. Devastated at our current plight and it is significantly affecting them away from footy.

Now we can sit here and kick the shit out of them but put yourself or your kids in their position. It's every man for himself out there at the moment. No one is supporting each other because they are so scared of making mistakes. No belief in themselves.
The coach won't admit the game plan or structures are letting them down so where do they apportion the blame?
Even our most senior players are lacking confidence at the moment. Imaging being one of our youngsters.
Our immediate problem isn't losing games, it's the damage being done to our players.


If that's the case he has to go now

Show some balls CFC board

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:07 am 
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:13 am 
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The club doesn't have the funds to do anything

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:16 am 
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but the AFL does


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:28 am 
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So I am summising what Synbad said earlier, Malthouse is still refusing to Coach for a rebuild as he knows he won't get another contract?


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:40 am 
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malthouse is just being his petulant self

taking the club down further with him

he knows he won't be here next year and doesn't give a shit about helping for the future on his way out.

but above all that you have stupid mixed messages from juicy and trigg as well

its just a huge mess

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:58 am 
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What's this "he hates Carlton"... "taking the club down with him"

Has his coaching methodology changed this year?

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