Explain?

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I've heard he doesn't pay up on bets either.

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/c ... gynsc.html

Editorial exaggeration aside. The tail wagging the dog...

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The consistently decent players deserve the big bucks.

What they deserve and what they're chasing (potentially in lieu of team success) aren't one in the same; nor what we were initially discussing.

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Explain ?

Your initial contention was that we should chase free agents who display consistently good work ethic.

I said that displaying consistently good work ethic is probably at odds with the character displayed in chasing more money for individual gain.

You countered by saying that the consistently decent players "deserved" the big bucks.

I'm saying that what they deserve, and what they'd receive to come to Carlton aren't one in the same. It's more than likely their original club are willing to pay them what they deserve. Dale Thomas has consistently good work ethic and deserves X amount, we're probably paying him X+Y for example.

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Dal Santo has played midfield his entire career, or pretty much 90% of it. Walker is comparable on raw talent alone but, like so many players on our list, has not had a consistent run in a defining position on the field.



Ludicrous.

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The original club may not be paying said player what he deserves due to its TPP and the quality of its list.

Maybe - which then allows for 17 other clubs to also offer what they see fit. Stupid free market economics.

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Anyway, back to your original point - I reckon far more goodwill is gained and fan engagement retained by trading Murphy and or Gibbs than trading in <insert gun player here>, and probably allows more freedom/flexibility in achieving our original goals of turning the list over.

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it seems you're dismissing TPP realities... ?

Not if we're offering to pay their salaries in our TPP as a means of meeting our minimum requirements and also getting a better return for them, by luring clubs in the hunt for a flag into the market they wouldn't otherwise be able to enter as their TPP is almost at the max.

The sum of all parts is a win I feel.

lose Murphy + paying his salary = better draft pick/competition for his services, not retaining a hack like Warnock to meet TPP
lose Murphy + not paying his salary = slightly lower draft pick/less competition, probably keeping Warnock another year unless we end up going out and getting a free agent we don't need when we're bottoming out.

Dogs paying large amount of Griffen's contract this year is a prime example.

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Yes, fair points.

Worth noting as well we only have Yarran as a flight risk free agent next year. Not as if we need to have a huge warchest saved up as we did 2 years ago.

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Armfield, Dennis - Good trier. Worth 0 on trade table = Keep
Bell, Tom - one of few positives = Keep
Boekhorst, Blaine = Keep
Buckley, Dylan = Will develop with age = Keep
Byrne, Ciaran (R) = Keep
Cameron Wood = Delist at earliest opportunity
Carrazzo, Andrew - Too old = Retire
Casboult, Levi = Keep
Cripps, Patrick - Future Capt = Keep
Curnow, Edward - Tries hard, not up to it = Keep for 2 years
Dick, Matthew - Unknowwn potential = Keep
Docherty, Sam - Next weeks capt = Keep
Ellard, David - See Curnow = Keep for 2 years
Everitt, Andrejs - See Ellard
Fields, Tom (R) - ?? = Keep
Foster, Jayden - ?? = Keep
Gibbs, Bryce - Trade to Crows for Betts
Giles, Cameron -
Gowers, Billy (R)
Graham, Nicholas - Soft, lazy = delist
Henderson, Lachlan - Not hard enough = Trade
Holman, Nick -
Jaksch, Kristian - Potential to be next Henderson = Keep for 2 years then probably delist.
Jamison, Michael - Too old, too slow - Delist
Johnson, Blaine (R) = Looks interesting = Keep
Jones, Liam - useless = Chaff bag
Judd, Chris - Clone in a lab, or preserve using cryogenics
Kreuzer, Matthew - Pray
Menzel, Troy - Vice Capt to Doch next week = Keep
Murphy, Marc = Trade to Richmond for pick 4
Rowe, Sam - We've gone this far = Keep
Russell, Fraser (R) - Got to be better than our last Russell = Keep
Sheehan, Ciaran (R) Beeter kick than all the Aussies = Keep
Simpson, Kade - offer 5 years deal to coach
Smith, Clem - Why is he even here?
Thomas, Dale - See Smith
Tuohy, Zach - Tries hard, bleeds blue = Keep
Tutt, Jason - Who knows = Keep
Viojo-Rainbow, Dillon - hasn't played a game = offer DV capt
Walker, Andrew - See if the Crows will honor their offer from 3 years ago
Walsh, Bradley (R) - you can never have too many soft Mids = Keep
Warnock, Robert - Change the locks
Watson, Matthew - Same chaff bag as Jones
Whiley, Mark - Can't get any worse = Keep
White, Simon - Does he ever do anything?
Yarran, Chris - Will break our hearts eventually = Trade now to WA for someone who wants to come back.

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Being a bit kind to Ellard there Duke, actually I saw a show on Foxtel the other night where scientists grew a new human ear on the back of a rat. Thing was walking around the cage with an ear growing out of it. The only use I can see for a few of the blokes on that list is potentially so we could use their backs to grow new feet for Kreuzer/Giles etc

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Just call Shane Charters and destroy the paperwork.

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Chaff bag isn't big enough Duke.

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