Like Membrey, Dick, Gwilt, Hunt, Blease, Newton, Hunt, White and Rivers.

Not all of those names went to top clubs, arguably only one did.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Which of those would you like at Carlton?

Just more average players filling up the spost of potential young guns.

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Uncertain as to what sacking Malthouse now achieves? Certainly doesn't magically rectify the 20-odd others things currently wrong with the club at the moment.

All we'd be replacing him with is another assistant coach out of contract at the end of the year more likely to put their own needs in front of the club's. Certainly don't want to be in a position where we do a Mark Riley with say John Barker if we offer him another 2 year deal if he coaches toward development not wins.

Be patient. He'll be gone at the end of the year. The bigger problems will not.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Instead of talking about players, draft and other things.

Is there any one on this site, which is inside the club that can represent the thousand odd talking carlton members that want him gone tomorrow? or do we all have to send one million emails to the club? The crowd attendances also gave the same impression that they have given up. The club is dead in the water right now. We are losing millions if the team keeps going this way. Sponsors will be dropping off, gate attendances will be taking F All, members won't bother renewing next year. It is a domino effect. Don't worry about 1mil we pay mick out. It is a small amount compared to what we will lose if he stays longer.

Our list is not that bad. I do a lot of project work and part of that work is making sure you have a team of resources following the same process. I have had good and bad resources, but you get them following the same process / plan and you get success. Basically, you could have a team of top grade resources, but you put them in a ineffective process with flaws in it and you will not have success. Right now, we have good quality players out there under achieving. It is basically because we have no system, we have no process, the players are not on the same page. We are playing defensive, rather than taking on the game. How can you have your forward line in the other half of the field for a lot of the game. That is surely a coach trying to minimize losses.

Get in a new coach, give these players some freedom and lets see what we have for the rest of the year.

+1

I think he will do more damage if he remains for much longer.
Players confidence is shot.
Player retention will become an issue now.

1. Let mick know he is not being considered for next year
2. start publicly interviewing coaches for next year (including assistants)
3. appoint coach for next year before season ends (would see them immediately released from any assisstant role for next year)
4. work out game plan that new coach wants and have mick (or an assistant) start putting in place basic strategies, skill sessions, game plan etc towards that (assuming new coach can't take the role straight away, otherwise they do it)
5.start building towards next year (informal conversations with new coach + mckay + silvagni for list management, weekly team selection etc)

MM has to go...no discussion here!!

But FFS, is a new coach NEEDED to get Gibbs, Murphy and Walker to show some fight and bleed a bit for the jumper?????

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Why does Mick have to go and don't say anything about game plan and too defensive. We really have to have a look at our team. We all know our list is poor compared to most if not all other clubs. If he doesn't play the kids he gets hammered even after saying the're not ready yet. When he does play them he still gets hammered. I think we all need to look at our players. There is just too many not good enough to play at this level. This is just fact. I have been lucky enough to see 8 Carlton premierships and would love to see some more. I really do feel for a lot of our younger supporters ( including my own children) not having seen us when we were a power and success was expected and almost became a formality. As many people on this forum have stated over the years times have changed but we as a club still live in the bygone era. I am as interested in how we go about addressing our deficiencies as any Blue's supporter. We talk of a rebuild. What's a rebuild? My understanding of the word rebuild is to start from scratch and work towards the finished product. Is it a list rebuild, a club rebuild or both. What ever it is it must be done properly and not half cocked like we have done the last 15 or so years. I don't know whether Mick is the coach to do this, or whether he has the energy and vision to complete it successfully. The one thing I do know from our successful eras was that we were often seen as the trendsetters, you would never know what big recruit we may be after until the deal was almost done. There is no doubt we have a split board. How the @#$%&! do they expect to unify the club when there is a complete lack of unity at the top. The Pratts and Mathesons really need to put their differences aside, forget about egos and who's right or not and get this once great club back where it belongs. If they can't, stand aside and if we can't survive without their money we probably shouldn't be here.

with mm gone, we might extract another 25% effort from the players. we might stop seeing all the negative football where we're overloaded with taggers and tagging assignments rather than running free.

it could give the player's who are in the doghouse or have their confidence blown up to get a much needed shot in the arm.


basically, we hate the word, but it is what it is... malthouse has become cancerous, his gameplane toxic.

So? End result? We finish third or fourth last instead of last?

We'll beat GWS this week, and its an indictment on all concerned.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

MM in his press conference stating "We know where we're at", " We're at rock bottom", "they're a quality team(opponent), etc, etc.....

6wks ago he couldn't see us losing a game.

The bloke is lost, his press conferences are on repeat. Coming in and getting his pay slip like the rest of the team.

Hard being so disappointed each week yet watching from first to last bounce every week hoping to see signs of progression, signs of what's to come, something to get excited about.....and to be continually let down......then quickly search the VFL game hoping to see reports of domination from kids only to get more reports of minimal touches, lack of class and just more of the same "fight for every goal", "opportunistic", kick & hope, jargen.

We are so far off all we can do is laugh because we can't be seen crying

Say what ?
Reckon you need to take a closer look then.



If you re using that tongue in cheek comment as a basis for your argument, you re just as bad as Hutchy and Mark Stevens.

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We won't beat gws, or anyone else with the current "gameplan" and by keeping mick around, he's doing damage to alotta players. I fail to think of one player right now where he's bringing out their best.

not one. that is troubling. is the damage he's doing repairable?

No.

Wasn't at Port under Primus. Dogs under McCartney. Melbourne.....well, who knows.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

yeah, but we're a bunch of divas, prima donnas and fashionistas. we're not very resilient at carlton.

malthouse is like a boa constrictor in a hen house right now.

John Barker will turn this shit around.

@#$%&! it - what's Air Bud up to?

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

we're screwed. totally and utterly.

one positive to mick being gone, is the players might actually play something more than the negative role, mulitple tagging assignments and flooding the stoppages which went out in the early to mid 2000's ... it's outdated.

modern footy is fast and taking it on. for better or for worse. dogs and saints are doing it. why not us?

Malthouse suggests Brisbane got their goals because of good structures.

My question to hhim iis why his team doesnt have good structures?

We dont have a kick in plan, or thats what it looks like to me.

How many times did we kick across the face of goal? It worked a ffew times but we had 3 gpas against us from this strategy.

Is that the players? I dont think so.
Is tit a lack of player discipline we have no structures or a failure of our coaches to iinstill that over a preseason where most of our players were available to learn.

I can only blame the Coach and leaders if the players cant put to action the structures drilled into them.
Players are not that dumb. Repitition in training drills will achieve that alone.
If the structures start to fall away the leaders who understand the MM GP should be able to guide and direct as on field leaders do.

I think the Coach and his staff have failed to educate the players of the GP and structures.

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i propose the notion the coach and staff don't have a gameplan other than flood and ride the boundary, and there is no structure other than bomb it long. to no one.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-11/m ... -president

CARLTON president Mark LoGiudice has reaffirmed his stance that coach Mick Malthouse will see out the season despite the Blues' horror start to the year.

Malthouse's three-year contract expires at the end of 2015, and LoGiudice has previously stated three-time premiership coach will stay in the role for the whole year.

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