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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:09 pm 
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we must change the captain too,
if he doesn't run off..or get traded.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:10 pm 
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Judd must be wondering why. The end of 2014 was a false dawn.


take a look again at those string of matches at the end of 2014 and it was Waite who was the difference and we let him walk because we didn't want to give him 2 years. Malthouse has dismantled this list and left us with next to nothing up front. Time for him to go!

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:13 pm 
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fjanyc wrote:
verbs wrote:
Judd must be wondering why. The end of 2014 was a false dawn.


take a look again at those string of matches at the end of 2014 and it was Waite who was the difference and we let him walk because we didn't want to give him 2 years. Malthouse has dismantled this list and left us with next to nothing up front. Time for him to go!


True. Malthouse was off on his book tour at the end of 2012 and nothing much happened to the list coming in to 2013.

Had his claws all over the list in the 2013 and 2014 off seasons and we've been decimated.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:15 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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It's time for MM to go but he isn't the only issue by a long long way.


wasn't long ago he was the messiah


that statement vindicates psych's original post

Malthouse is gone...we all know that
The board will stay...we all know that
As a result, our future is bleak...we all know that

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:18 pm 
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He won't quit. He blames everyone but himself.

He has to go Now. We need to see some hope..


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:22 pm 
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Yes. We can't afford another decade of young players not reaching their full potential. The confidence and ethos of our young players needs to be set in stone while they are still coachable and we can't afford to have them stuck in a mould of fearful, headless chicken negative football.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:51 pm 
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…in sakcing Mick?

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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/footy/coaching-panel

Dean Laidley is the only serious option to take over, so, I ask again is there any point?


Laidley got the absolute best out of what he had at North. See no reason to doubt his credentials.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:40 pm 
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The mood out on the field was horrible; players are clearly afraid of making mistakes. If Mick can't offer a plan to improve their performances with a positive discussion, rather than putting the fear of god into them, then yes he needs to go.

That his line coaches are not making much of a dent in terms of developing structures and smoothing out our decision making and execution of the skills required for said structures, is worthy of intense scrutiny.

If Barker is all that, make him the stand-in coach.


Really, were you there? Were you at the game?

It didn't appear that way to me...

And, they're not that afraid of making mistakes... they made a shitload!!


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:46 pm 
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fjanyc wrote:
verbs wrote:
Judd must be wondering why. The end of 2014 was a false dawn.


take a look again at those string of matches at the end of 2014 and it was Waite who was the difference and we let him walk because we didn't want to give him 2 years. Malthouse has dismantled this list and left us with next to nothing up front. Time for him to go!


Waite was a leech on this club for too long

Let's not kid ourselves about our current predicament

This has been years in the making


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:48 pm 
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I didn't see many players backing others in to make a play on the football or without the football. That's fear.

I saw some players floundering with the ball in hand or getting the ball out of the area very quickly despite little to no pressure. That's fear.

I saw players smashing into each other trying to get near the ball to effect the play. That's fear.

Any time you aren't backing your team mate to do his job, you're afraid of something going wrong; every time you're not backing yourself to focus and execute basic tasks, you're afraid of doing something wrong.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 9:13 pm 
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I thought we had a real crack for the first 2.5 quarters but just horrible, no idea, mistake ridden football.

We even had more of it in the last but just couldn't score.

I reckon we tried the corridor 3 or four times, [REDACTED] each attempt up royally ( Walker and some others) and then spent the rest of the games hugging the boundary.

Did anyone actually want the ball from the kick in? Looked like Zac and Doc kept trying to work something out between them, but then zilch, no cauliflower anywhere offering anything.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 9:16 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
I didn't see many players backing others in to make a play on the football or without the football. That's fear.

I saw some players floundering with the ball in hand or getting the ball out of the area very quickly despite little to no pressure. That's fear.

I saw players smashing into each other trying to get near the ball to effect the play. That's fear.

Any time you aren't backing your team mate to do his job, you're afraid of something going wrong; every time you're not backing yourself to focus and execute basic tasks, you're afraid of doing something wrong.


No support for the ball carrier. Nobody presenting. Options are always limited. This is indicative of the coaching style/game plan.

It is true, there's no point persisting with malthouse.

Give laidley a go. Bring the bullants coach up as an assistant and let mick coach the ressies. He'll be happy with that because he will have Ellard, Jones, Tutt etc playing under him. It'll feel like home for him.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 9:18 pm 
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That's fear! *jazz hands*


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 9:41 pm 
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Sacking Malthouse and having Laidley or Barker take over may result in short term success, win a few extra games, give us some hope for the future.

The last thing this club needs right now is false hope.

We're terrible on and off field and we need to understand that and review everything from top to bottom between now and the end of the season.

Leave him in place, let things hit rock bottom so the club is forced to accept the true state of things.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 10:21 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
I didn't see many players backing others in to make a play on the football or without the football. That's fear.

I saw some players floundering with the ball in hand or getting the ball out of the area very quickly despite little to no pressure. That's fear.

I saw players smashing into each other trying to get near the ball to effect the play. That's fear.

Any time you aren't backing your team mate to do his job, you're afraid of something going wrong; every time you're not backing yourself to focus and execute basic tasks, you're afraid of doing something wrong.



You make statements as if they're facts...

When you're questioned, you just make more statements as if they're facts!!! And ignore the questions...

So what's your definition when players, under little or no pressure, can't hit their teammates with a handball or a kick?

And were you at the game?


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 10:46 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Sacking Malthouse and having Laidley or Barker take over may result in short term success, win a few extra games, give us some hope for the future.

The last thing this club needs right now is false hope.

We're terrible on and off field and we need to understand that and review everything from top to bottom between now and the end of the season.

Leave him in place, let things hit rock bottom so the club is forced to accept the true state of things.


I'll take a few wins. Beats the alternative unless you want to see more of today's shit, which was as close as possible to unwatchable. Laidley's only interim. We can then finally go through a proper procedure to get a new coach at years end


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I'll take the no1 draft pick.


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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 7:38 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Sacking Malthouse and having Laidley or Barker take over may result in short term success, win a few extra games, give us some hope for the future.

The last thing this club needs right now is false hope.

We're terrible on and off field and we need to understand that and review everything from top to bottom between now and the end of the season.

Leave him in place, let things hit rock bottom so the club is forced to accept the true state of things.

I think if Mick is sacked, Laidley won't take it on, out of loyalty to Mick. As for Barker, he has senior coaching asperations, so stepping up now into this situation would probably be a negative step.

Read, Jade Rawlings.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 7:40 am 
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if MM resigns..
I hope we get Bomber, and a plan for him mentoring a couple of candidates.
say over 2 -3 years.
Otherwise,
Laidley might be ok,
or Laidlaw.
whichever.

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 7:46 am 
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there was a period during the 3rd qtr where i thought i was watching a game of organised forths'n'backs.

just long kicks to contests from both teams for what felt like about 10 minutes.

no one running, no one looking to rebound or spread. it's the worst standard of football i've ever seen. no joke. ever! why we clear out our forwardline and leave not one single player at home baffles the shit outta me. we weren't doing that last season?

it's football suicide to do this, even if you're defending a lead late in the 4th, i wouldn't recommend sending the whole house into defense. but here we are 4 minutes into the 1st qtr doing it.

it's like malthouse is trying to lose.


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