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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 1:13 pm 
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Mick took on the job knowing the expectations and reasons Ratts was sacked.
To be so unprepared is a blight on his legacy.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 1:30 pm 
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Lost me tonight. Completely classless in snubbing Buckley at the end of the game.



Malthouse is oblivious to others contributions and unappreciative for those influences, he refuses to acknowledge others input in his success.
He has been so bitter at his dethroning at Collingwood he has disrespected the very people that have given him the standing that he has enjoyed for the last decade plus.
Eddie gave him long a standing position and a chance to leave the game gracefully when his time was up while buckley improved his game plan that gave him the silverware that alluded his tenure at the pies and a chance to lexit the game on a high
He’s a bitter and self serving individual that doesn’t recognize others efforts or identify his own shortcomings.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 1:50 pm 
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Seriously if we get Voss next year that is it for me. How hard is it for the committee to understand. We have sacked our last three coaches in contract. MM may limp along till the end of the year but was a desperate ill-considered choice. Hawks, got Clarkson via serious interview process, Lyon at Saints the same, Longmire long apprenticeship and handover, Hinkley, interview process etc etc etc. Voss was a great player, we are not getting him to play. This is laughable, there has to be an alternate ticket somewhere. Are there no connected people who are interested enough to run. Call an extraordinary meeting and I'd vote for Donald Duck ahead of the current bunch of born to rule dilettantes, bored with the family money and looking for a footy club to dabble in to moderate their ennui.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 1:55 pm 
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He’s a bitter and self serving individual that doesn’t recognize others efforts or identify his own shortcomings
Agreed. Have held this view since day one, but actually we should be blaming the fools who appointed him, and have made so many poor appointments and decisions over the last 15 years.

What exactly are SOS's credentials for building our list. I would have done alright at GWS with most of the top 10 picks over several drafts. Is he at Carlton because he is the best at what he does or because he was a great Carlton player and is a mate of MLG?


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 1:59 pm 
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KB thinks we are into Stuart Dew as we've heard good things about him. Didn't make me think, wow he'd be good, rather the same old Carlton. Select people based on reputation, and not follow a proper process.

Certainly not suggesting any of the above is true, either, particularly coming out of that old flog.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 2:18 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:

What exactly are SOS's credentials for building our list. I would have done alright at GWS with most of the top 10 picks over several drafts. Is he at Carlton because he is the best at what he does or because he was a great Carlton player and is a mate of MLG?



gold coast look ordinary with a capital O ... and they had the same amount of picks and concessions.

you know, more than half of GC's list came back from Xmas overweight. there were 6 players who never finished the first time trial after xmas. meanwhile Freo just sacked Sylvia for the exact same offense. if GC did the same, they wouldn't be able to field a list.

there's so much more to drafting than just balancing the whole do we draft the most talent/ or fill a position of need. there's work ethic, there's their upbringing, their values & then there's their will to win and then a long way down the list is how good they are at football right now.

i reckon SOS did an unbelievable job at GWS ... just the whole stocking up on KPP knowing they have the most resale value was utter genius. then gws get to pick the kpp's they want, and let the overhyped ones go for more picks, so there's a constant going back to the well for them.

incidentally. talking about overhyped gws players ... jaksch, who in two games has been absolutely terrible. looks like he has the same endeavour and will to win as Kane Lucas.


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Braithy wrote:
incidentally. talking about overhyped gws players ... jaksch, who in two games has been absolutely terrible. looks like he has the same endeavour and will to win as Kane Lucas.


Yeh...less than 10 games into his career. Busted ribs/punctured lung...and you say he has no endeavour.

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 2:37 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
Seriously if we get Voss next year that is it for me. How hard is it for the committee to understand. We have sacked our last three coaches in contract. MM may limp along till the end of the year but was a desperate ill-considered choice. Hawks, got Clarkson via serious interview process, Lyon at Saints the same, Longmire long apprenticeship and handover, Hinkley, interview process etc etc etc. Voss was a great player, we are not getting him to play. This is laughable, there has to be an alternate ticket somewhere. Are there no connected people who are interested enough to run. Call an extraordinary meeting and I'd vote for Donald Duck ahead of the current bunch of born to rule dilettantes, bored with the family money and looking for a footy club to dabble in to moderate their ennui.


No point having the interview process
until you have the footy brains interviewing.

change board first.

where is the alternate ticket??

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 2:41 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Braithy wrote:
incidentally. talking about overhyped gws players ... jaksch, who in two games has been absolutely terrible. looks like he has the same endeavour and will to win as Kane Lucas.


Yeh...less than 10 games into his career. Busted ribs/punctured lung...and you say he has no endeavour.

I never understood all the hype with jaksh on this site during trade period. Was always against it but thought majority of you guys know what is going on from your armchairs. The hype over jaksch, whiley, tutt and somewhat liam jones. A lot of you guys on this site do not have a clue. Only some of you are finally getting it through your heads mick was wrong for the club. Well done for the slow learners here

Mick blew up our team in the trade wk n draft. Waste of picks. Pick 7 gets you selwood, jordan lewis etc. We blow it on two players that cant get a game at gws. Cant wait for him to go.

Well done mick and the flogs that listened to him in recruiting :thumbsup:

As for the new coach, l am happy for any coach to come to the club aslong as it is through an interview process. Whether it is vossy, stewy due, i dont care. Just go thru the process And hopefully we find the next hinkley or clarko that get the best out of the players.


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Board appoints wrong coach -> players don't buy in.

3 times in a row now.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 2:51 pm 
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redback wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Lost me tonight. Completely classless in snubbing Buckley at the end of the game.



Malthouse is oblivious to others contributions and unappreciative for those influences, he refuses to acknowledge others input in his success.
He has been so bitter at his dethroning at Collingwood he has disrespected the very people that have given him the standing that he has enjoyed for the last decade plus.
Eddie gave him long a standing position and a chance to leave the game gracefully when his time was up while buckley improved his game plan that gave him the silverware that alluded his tenure at the pies and a chance to lexit the game on a high
He’s a bitter and self serving individual that doesn’t recognize others efforts or identify his own shortcomings.


Very emotive.

His performance at Carlton is not acceptable, the players performance is unacceptable, as is the boards. The administration needs more than 8 months to prove its worth.

Your constant barrage against Malthouse is wasted. You can't talk to his ability to survive more than any other before him. It's a tough caper....the toughest in town.


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:14 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Braithy wrote:
incidentally. talking about overhyped gws players ... jaksch, who in two games has been absolutely terrible. looks like he has the same endeavour and will to win as Kane Lucas.


Yeh...less than 10 games into his career. Busted ribs/punctured lung...and you say he has no endeavour.



He never went too good at gws either ... there's a reason they let him go.

he's a taller key position version of Lucas. Has some nice skills, a silky right foot ... but sadly for us, no heart for the battle.


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Braithy wrote:
Effes wrote:
Braithy wrote:
incidentally. talking about overhyped gws players ... jaksch, who in two games has been absolutely terrible. looks like he has the same endeavour and will to win as Kane Lucas.


Yeh...less than 10 games into his career. Busted ribs/punctured lung...and you say he has no endeavour.



He never went too good at gws either ... there's a reason they let him go.

he's a taller key position version of Lucas. Has some nice skills, a silky right foot ... but sadly for us, no heart for the battle.


He was a second year KP player. Do you expect them to be playing most games? Aware of his injury issues at GWS? Aware of the depth of KP players at GWS?

Embarrassing posts Braithy.

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 Post subject: Re: Sack Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:30 pm 
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Outback Blue wrote:
Ratten was sacked due to the teams under performing year when expectations were high.

Now Malthouse is here and it seems that the team is STILL under performing.

There seems to be one common factor here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the players !!

I'm putting my faith into Malthouse to do what ever he needs to do to turn things around.

IMO, looking at Geelong when Mark Thompson left in 2010, Geelong could have replaced him with any coach
and they would have still been a top 4 side.

Let the clean out begin !!!


Wrong. Ratten was sacked because he destroyed the list, didnt develop youth and with the good playerd handed to him had a one dimensional game plan. At least malthouse has tried to build the list


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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:47 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Embarrassing posts Braithy.



so where do you see jaksch?

do this for me, effes.


Judd. Kruezer. Cripps. Menzel. Docherty. Boekhurst. Clem Smith. Buckley. Daisy. Bell. Ellard. Simpson. etc

just a few players who came in off the bat and showed a willingness to get dirty and display heart for the battle from their very first AFL game. All of their skills and natural talent vary, but the one constant is they attack the ball and run through who ever is in their way to get it. They want to win. Good teams mostly have these kinds of players on their list.


Kane Lucas. Bower. Fisher. Warnock. Watson.

guys who have no heart for battle and never showed any will or intent.

Then you get players like Murphy, Gibbs, Walker Tutt, Waite and Jones and pretty much everyone else left on our list; who turn it off and on depending on their mood and what kind of matchup they're in and about a hundred other variables.


I know for a fact Jaksch isn't in the first group who are hard at it, have an ecompassing will to win, and have it all of the time.

So then at best, he's in the third group, which considering the balance of our list, isn't exactly what we need, yeah? The Giants let Jaksch walk for a reason, that reason being Jaksch isn't on the first list.


One of CFC's biggest problems over the last decade is hanging onto players hoping they'll turn a corner, or suddenly get it ... because they show glimpses here and there and keep us all hanging out for the day they arrive.

this club as a whole, has to be more ruthless in assessing players and moving forward without ones not up to standard. it's the only way the on field culture of the playing group will evolve into a winning one.


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 Post subject: Re: Sack Malthouse!!!
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Outback Blue wrote:
Ratten was sacked due to the teams under performing year when expectations were high.

Now Malthouse is here and it seems that the team is STILL under performing.

There seems to be one common factor here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the players !!

I'm putting my faith into Malthouse to do what ever he needs to do to turn things around.

IMO, looking at Geelong when Mark Thompson left in 2010, Geelong could have replaced him with any coach
and they would have still been a top 4 side.

Let the clean out begin !!!


Wrong. Ratten was sacked because he destroyed the list, didnt develop youth and with the good playerd handed to him had a one dimensional game plan. At least malthouse has tried to build the list



I'm not defending Ratten, but he didn't destroy the list on his own.

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Michael Jezz wrote:
Outback Blue wrote:
Ratten was sacked due to the teams under performing year when expectations were high.

Now Malthouse is here and it seems that the team is STILL under performing.

There seems to be one common factor here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the players !!

I'm putting my faith into Malthouse to do what ever he needs to do to turn things around.

IMO, looking at Geelong when Mark Thompson left in 2010, Geelong could have replaced him with any coach
and they would have still been a top 4 side.

Let the clean out begin !!!


Wrong. Ratten was sacked because he destroyed the list, didnt develop youth and with the good playerd handed to him had a one dimensional game plan.


At the time he was sacked, the board and administration thought we had a top 4 list. They sacked Ratten because they thought we'd under performed by not making finals. Do you ever get sick of making shit up? :roll:
It seems every one of your posts is either full of inaccuracies or just plain full of shit.

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london blue wrote:
redback wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Lost me tonight. Completely classless in snubbing Buckley at the end of the game.



Malthouse is oblivious to others contributions and unappreciative for those influences, he refuses to acknowledge others input in his success.
He has been so bitter at his dethroning at Collingwood he has disrespected the very people that have given him the standing that he has enjoyed for the last decade plus.
Eddie gave him long a standing position and a chance to leave the game gracefully when his time was up while buckley improved his game plan that gave him the silverware that alluded his tenure at the pies and a chance to lexit the game on a high
He’s a bitter and self serving individual that doesn’t recognize others efforts or identify his own shortcomings.


Very emotive.

His performance at Carlton is not acceptable, the players performance is unacceptable, as is the boards. The administration needs more than 8 months to prove its worth.

Your constant barrage against Malthouse is wasted. You can't talk to his ability to survive more than any other before him. It's a tough caper....the toughest in town.



Port, Melbourne, Adelaide, shit even Melbourne and the Dogs have improved while mighty mick has been in charge

emotional, no shit I'm emotional just because you can't see he's a shit coach with one game plan and no other idea, a drama queen “leader” with a victim mentality and a constant embarrassment to our club
at least ratten had same self respect and didn’t cry to the very people he shows so scant regard for just to suit his own agenda
it’s all about him and guess what
we don’t own him a !@#$% thing so the sooner he !@#$% off the sooner we can head in the right direction


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we won't head in any direction but down unless a lot more than just the coach changes at this club.

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we won't head in any direction but down unless a lot more than just the coach changes at this club.

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