Your first sentence is wrong.


Your second sentence is right.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

jimmae isn't behind, he is a behind.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Jimmae are you daisy thomas? or a malthouse family member?
Never seen so much BS posted. Positive BS
How can you defend this @#$#@

Tonight just lost 5000 members, if not more. Players don't play like that tonight if they give a crap what the coach says. Every coach goes through this. They reach a point and whatever the coach says is in one ear and out the other. Even early in the season last year Mick didn't think the players were behind his gameplan. Asked the leadership group if they were and ofcourse they said yes. Then he asked the leadership group to speak to the other players and see if they were behind the game plan. 1 season on, what you seeing?. You seem like a smart footy guy, so l assume you can realise Mick has lost the players. Would take an amazing effort to turn it around now.

We can give laidley a go to standin, fresh voice, fresh ideas and by doing that the players know they put in effort and listen or gone. From memory he did allright at North Melb. Generally when the coach goes, they know they are next. If the players don't respond to a new voice, they are done at CFC.

Stop the bullsh!t jimmae, there is nothing positive about tonight or at the club. Fans need a change. A change might stop us blowing our top pick on jaksh, whiley types and blow another pick on a liam jones. Club listens or loses supporters.

I may have left a few players out, our picks might have been 1 and 4, not 1 and 3. Anyway, "everyone" might mean all of the top recruits but I do remember a few dissenting voices around at the time. The fact that Collingwood reached and got good service (more than good in Pendlebury's case) out of their players just shows you that you don't always have to go with consensus. That's not how it works.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

What goes around...

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

I didn't say tonight was positive, if we're going to spend weeks on weeks discussing this, let's establish a direct comparison.

If we're all disappointed, why not turn that into a desire to have something actionable to submit to the football club? People might laugh at the notion, but isn't that a more constructive use of this time?

If you're not interested in that, you should probably walk away from the discussion for a while; do right by your own health.

FWIW I still think Mick should see out the year. There's work to be done and a bunch of flower players that need to be ironed out.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I left the ground after the Malthouse walk off. As I was walking out of the members, I saw Dale Thomas high fiving and joking with Sidebottom. These players simply don't care enough.

if we all walk away you are going to be pretty lonely here by yourself jimmae

the place is a rabble

it needs to be gutted

mick needs to go now

no more wasting time

there is nothing positive or constructive to glean from carlton at the moment

the place is dead and it reeks

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I left during the 3rd quarter, within minutes of seeing EVERY Carlton player inside the Collingwood attacking 50m arc whilst 7 to 8 Cwd players were well outside the arc. And all this was happening while a Cwd player was taking a set shot a goal, from inside the arc!!!

Did I ask a question that you offered an answer to? Because that would be the quid pro quo you allude to.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I think Simmo cares, but he just isn't very good

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Just home from a 2 hour walk from the G.

I had to walk and get rid of the frustration. This is the most inept football side planning the game at present. The lack of fundamental skills, required to play this game is astounding at Carlton. I cast my mind back to 2005 when diesel was there, Bradley was taking some skill development and I pulled my hair out then at the lack of ability the squad showed. Well I'm here to tell you it is fundamentally worse.

It was down right embarrassing to watch. I felt sick. I have supported this group right up until this moment but they have lost me. The stupidity of it was breath taking. I did not see one kick to advantage to a contest from Carlton. Not one. I saw the ball repeatedly bombed in allowing 3 and 4 back men to get to the contest. I saw the ball turned over in the guts repeatedly. I saw players turn themselves inside out trying to create only to turn it over because they were burnt by their teammates who wouldn't run to position to receive.

I have had a gut full

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Go BLues

you are very quick to offer advice to everyone though

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

There is a malaise across this entire playing group. They simply do not give a shit. And it starts with the influence of our so called best players. Murphy and Gibbs do not have desire or conviction and it spreads like a @#$%&! disease through the entire list. They whole thing is up the shit from top to bottom. Start by appointing the best young coach we can find going around, get rid of the players like Murphy, Gibbs even Henderson who have currency, get the best recruiting team you can possibly put together and start building from the ground up. Because right now, this club is completely [REDACTED] and we are at the beginning of a decade of pain.

The scary thing is, we haven't actually bottomed out yet

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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

91% game time, most of it in midfield. He would be knackered right now.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I'd be happy with that if it was his bad shoulder.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

It's the sum of the parts - he is a good (or should l say bad) example.

When was the last time Curnow has kicked a goal?

47 tackles to 82 say a lot... regardless of game plan

...our best in this stat was a kid playing his 7th game

We have no leaders... none

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“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

True, but I'm here to enjoy the thought exercises that are offered. That's the pendulum swing here: discussion and community.

If we want to scream 'rabble rabble' and think ourselves above it, are we helping ourselves or anyone? Might as well be pissing on a wall and calling it a painting.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I think that's the first time I've left 5 minutes into the third quarter.

Was a nice empty train trip home though.

Don't think I'll go to another game this year, better off spending it with my family.

You don't put in, I don't put in.