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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 6:43 am 
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Journos trying to play "king maker", nothing new there.

FWIW, if the club assess their options and truly believe Malthouse is the best choice going forward, so be it.
But if they do, they should have the balls to set the framework in the clubs interests, unlike their predecessors who were weak as piss.
Firstly, the club should implement a credible leadership program that develops true leaders, not puppets for the coach.
Give the players some actual involvement.
The club should chase the best assistant coaches and implement a coaching structure that gives them real input, opportunities to develop and a pathway for the most proficient to achieve the senior role in the foreseeable future.
Keep Rob Wiley by all means but as a mentor for all the coaches. His current role is only devised to strengthen Micks power base IMO. He shouldn't have an active role in the box.
A real head of football who has the imprimatur to ensure this structure is not only implemented but also actively encouraged. its pointless having a situation like Collingwood where Mick agreed to the Buckley succession and then totally ignored him and refused to buy into it.
The club is the employer and its time they showed some leadership and balls and acted like it. If Mick can't pursue the role passionately as devised by the club, that's his choice.
But its time the employer set the parameters, not the employee. (Thanks Sticks and co.) :roll:

The recent situations where they hired Pagan and Malthouse and gave them free reign belongs well in the past.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:49 am 
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one area where malthouse has made massive inroads in; is getting our board to sit up and take stock/ notice of where we're at as a club and what direction we're headed if it continue to micro-manage (read: control) every level of the football departments from their front offices – like they've done forever since parkin left and salary caps & drafts were introduced.

the board and president have enough respect for MM to listen to his assessments of team culture and leadership, recruiting & devloping etc etc and then to act upon changing it (hopefully for the better).

I can't imagine too many other coaches across the league who would walk in here and command that kind of respect from the numpties and mindless running our club. there's no way a rookie/ newish coach on 4-500k a year will come in here like old what's his face from the dogs and hinkley from Port, and be allowed to take control of all football departments to build their vision. And if they did they'd have such a short leash, it'd become counter productive.

on that regard alone ... we're probably better off with mick. But when we offer him much less money next season to do the exact same job he's doing this season, we all know mick will walk.

then the potential to plummet to the real depths of despair begins.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:03 am 
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Braithy wrote:
I can't imagine too many other coaches across the league who would walk in here and command that kind of respect from the numpties and mindless running our club. there's no way a rookie/ newish coach on 4-500k a year will come in here like old what's his face from the dogs and hinkley from Port, and be allowed to take control of all football departments to build their vision. And if they did they'd have such a short leash, it'd become counter productive.


Yeah, it's been such a disaster at Port and the Bulldogs.
They must be so jealous of our model. :lol:

Ae you taking the piss or is that a fair dinkum post? There's no basis to anything you wrote whatsoever.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:09 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:
I can't imagine too many other coaches across the league who would walk in here and command that kind of respect from the numpties and mindless running our club. there's no way a rookie/ newish coach on 4-500k a year will come in here like old what's his face from the dogs and hinkley from Port, and be allowed to take control of all football departments to build their vision. And if they did they'd have such a short leash, it'd become counter productive.


Yeah, it's been such a disaster at Port and the Bulldogs.
They must be so jealous of our model. :lol:

Ae you taking the piss or is that a fair dinkum post? There's no basis to anything you wrote whatsoever.


either you're not comprehending properly, or i'm not writing very well.

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Yeah, it's been such a disaster at Port and the Bulldogs.


because that's exactly my point.

our board, famous for micro-managing and controlling all levels of football. Can you imagine them allowing a rookie like beveridge or hinkley to walk in, recruit whoever they like, play however they like and hire their own line coaches?

because i can't.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:12 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Journos trying to play "king maker", nothing new there.

FWIW, if the club assess their options and truly believe Malthouse is the best choice going forward, so be it.
But if they do, they should have the balls to set the framework in the clubs interests, unlike their predecessors who were weak as piss.
Firstly, the club should implement a credible leadership program that develops true leaders, not puppets for the coach.
Give the players some actual involvement.
The club should chase the best assistant coaches and implement a coaching structure that gives them real input, opportunities to develop and a pathway for the most proficient to achieve the senior role in the foreseeable future.
Keep Rob Wiley by all means but as a mentor for all the coaches. His current role is only devised to strengthen Micks power base IMO. He shouldn't have an active role in the box.
A real head of football who has the imprimatur to ensure this structure is not only implemented but also actively encouraged. its pointless having a situation like Collingwood where Mick agreed to the Buckley succession and then totally ignored him and refused to buy into it.
The club is the employer and its time they showed some leadership and balls and acted like it. If Mick can't pursue the role passionately as devised by the club, that's his choice.
But its time the employer set the parameters, not the employee. (Thanks Sticks and co.) :roll:

The recent situations where they hired Pagan and Malthouse and gave them free reign belongs well in the past.


Great post

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:33 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Journos trying to play "king maker", nothing new there.

FWIW, if the club assess their options and truly believe Malthouse is the best choice going forward, so be it.
But if they do, they should have the balls to set the framework in the clubs interests, unlike their predecessors who were weak as piss.
Firstly, the club should implement a credible leadership program that develops true leaders, not puppets for the coach.
Give the players some actual involvement.
The club should chase the best assistant coaches and implement a coaching structure that gives them real input, opportunities to develop and a pathway for the most proficient to achieve the senior role in the foreseeable future.
Keep Rob Wiley by all means but as a mentor for all the coaches. His current role is only devised to strengthen Micks power base IMO. He shouldn't have an active role in the box.
A real head of football who has the imprimatur to ensure this structure is not only implemented but also actively encouraged. its pointless having a situation like Collingwood where Mick agreed to the Buckley succession and then totally ignored him and refused to buy into it.
The club is the employer and its time they showed some leadership and balls and acted like it. If Mick can't pursue the role passionately as devised by the club, that's his choice.
But its time the employer set the parameters, not the employee. (Thanks Sticks and co.) :roll:

The recent situations where they hired Pagan and Malthouse and gave them free reign belongs well in the past.


Absolutely.
But I think we all know Mick would never buy into it, even if he agreed to as in the Buckley scenario.
We don't have people strong enough to see it through.
He'll never change from my way or the highway.
The yes-men surrounding the coach and the lack of progression etc is a bigger problem at Carlton than many would imagine.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:40 am 
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It is an interesting scenario

Sticks and co. Bring in Malthouse - knowing we needed to change - prepared for the tail to wag the dog to bring change about.

A completely new administration - which will have its only challenges in any environment - the dog wanting to take control of its tail.


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:35 am 
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Work experience kid drew the short straw at Mars.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 2808_o.jpg

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 12:20 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
Work experience kid drew the short straw at Mars.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 2808_o.jpg

Photo's not real; that's clearly an arrow pointing inwards from the boundary line in the background.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 12:29 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Work experience kid drew the short straw at Mars.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 2808_o.jpg

Photo's not real; that's clearly an arrow pointing inwards from the boundary line in the background.


Nah, looks like someone hastily erased a stick-man dick pic.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 3:37 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Work experience kid drew the short straw at Mars.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 2808_o.jpg

Photo's not real; that's clearly an arrow pointing inwards from the boundary line in the background.


That's very good from your Jim. :lol:
I'm impressed. I was starting to think you were Hymie.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 8:59 pm 
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ok , you had your fun, you broke the record

now take your millions and @#$%&! off

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:16 pm 
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Mick is making Richmond look like a switched on footy team and Hardwick a genius.

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Players love Mick
Can't you see

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Players love Mick
Can't you see


:thumbsup:

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Players love Mick
Can't you see


I have heard they actually do. I don't doubt it.

You see effort there - Carlton normally match or lead contested possession stats.

It's just he is past it as a senior coach and most of his assistants are too.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:27 pm 
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No coach would have a job after 2005 by telling players to play smash ball. Not a chance he's asking them to play like this, particularly seeing the kick out strategy unleashed tonight.

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i think the contested possession stats are skewed by our structure and gameplay and not necessarily effort

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grrofunger wrote:
i think the contested possession stats are skewed by our structure and gameplay and not necessarily effort


Ranked well in clearances too

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:34 pm 
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its not effort though

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