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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:38 pm 
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The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


..precedent was set when we chased an untried ruck and gave him four years at four hundred grand a year..

Time to make a stand then


Elliot tried that and it sent us broke.

I'm talking about telling them to take a fair amount of money or @#$%&! off, so the opposite.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:45 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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John James wrote:
The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


..precedent was set when we chased an untried ruck and gave him four years at four hundred grand a year..

Time to make a stand then


Elliot tried that and it sent us broke.

I'm talking about telling them to take a fair amount of money or @#$%&! off, so the opposite.


.....................I was talking about the Legends stand.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:50 pm 
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Touche :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Leadership: recruiting thomas, docherty etc
Activating existing. Yarran, buckley, bell etc
Its a massive job and given the results this year, becoming even bigger, especially when our leaders take steps backwards . Murphy , Gibbs


Leadership? :lol:
If Mick wanted to improve the leadership, he would promote external leadership programs, not the "I'm Mick and I'm the leader" program.
It's the same resistance to outside ideas that has us blessed with a bunch of inept assistant coaches. Afraid of giving up any control.

Murphy was a poor choice but it's based on the same failed philosophy that saw Neeld appoint Grimes and Trengove at Melbourne. Appoint a blank canvas that will lead and manage under your strict instruction.
The problem is leaders can't be made by putting a title next to their name. Marc Murphy won't be a great captain if he plays for another 100 years.
Piss in Micks pocket as much as you want but spare me the "leadership" sermon.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:11 pm 
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I feel like Mick is the new Jordan Russell.

Our head of football wasn't prepared to pay overs for Betts & couldn't fit him into the salary cap? Malthouse's fault.


So it was McKay who made that decision? Is that right?
I'd suggest you wouldn't have a clue who made that decision. There's your screwy. :screwy:

As for it being overs, Why don't you ask the rest of the world who's getting better value. Adelaide out of Eddie or Carlton out of Daisy.


Be reasonable and just leave the emotion aside BV, its far too early to make a call on Daisy v Eddie.


No emotion involved from my perspective.
If you ask impartial supporters about who got the better deal, I'd suggest 95% would say Adelaide are well in front at the moment.
Thats just the reality IMO.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:52 pm 
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Are you guys for real?

A player who turns up every game and kicks a few vs. a part time soft kick collector in defence?

Putting aside dollars paid Adelaide are winning on ANY assessment of output.

Argue upside all you like but we haven't seen the upside from Dale Thomas being recruited.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:55 pm 
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John James wrote:
The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


A bit like Gibbs taking less money from us to stay? :screwy:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:39 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
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The precedent paying Thomas big money is players like Henderson test their market price with other clubs. He sees Thomas getting paid plus 600 k and says I'm not going to get that at Carlton, let's see what I can get elsewhere.


A bit like Gibbs taking less money from us to stay? :screwy:

He got himself 5 years on a little less which more than makes up for it.

Betts chose to leave us because he didn't want to accept our lesser offer... now Hendo and others may try their luck.

Once again our selfish culture coming to the fore... no one willing to sacrifice for their mates.

Ask yourself how Hawthorn has the capacity to offer Buddy $1m and still keep their list in tact yet we struggle...

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Good players commanding decent salaries and shit players not taking up cap space they don't deserve?

Remove the minimum cap figure.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:27 pm 
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I think Henderson has credible claims to be our highest paid player.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:42 pm 
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John James wrote:
I think Henderson has credible claims to be our highest paid player.

Not if he wants to kick the bulk of his goals crumbing off other forwards he doesn't.

Second half of his was much better than the first, but still too easily leads his opponent to the football.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 3:23 pm 
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I think CRIPPS has credible claims to be our highest paid player.

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Tallest paid player!

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Our window open again?

I cant see us losing a game for rest of season


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:08 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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I think Henderson has credible claims to be our highest paid player.

Not if he wants to kick the bulk of his goals crumbing off other forwards he doesn't.

Second half of his was much better than the first, but still too easily leads his opponent to the football.


So what jimmae?
He beats them regardless.
Henderson was damn aggressive in the first half and was easily our best big man...IMO

Thank god he can also rove off our fumbling Is that his fault.
He's a bloody all rounder.

He can run, kick straight passes, kick straight for goals, close or from 50, Mark on the chest, over the head, rove, play KPF and KPB. I'd be surprised if he isn't an A grader. In fact, who is better than him and more valuable than Hendo in the CFC? In your opinion, and why?

Just 4 rounds in and he's played a lot of roles, forward and back. It's because he is capable, not incapable.

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jimmae wrote:
Good players commanding decent salaries and shit players not taking up cap space they don't deserve?

Remove the minimum cap figure.


We were well positioned for that in years gone by, or at least whilst Sir Richard lived.

If we have more billionaires and more millionaires willing to spend the coin needed on players who will win us a flag beyond our opponents' benefactors will then I'm all for it, but I'm not confident we can play that game of bluff.

Then you've got to watch out for contacts we or our opponents have overseas like Brunei or the Arab Peninsula. They have very very deep pockets.

Eddie and the Emirates are out there you know. Can we trump them?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:42 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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I think Henderson has credible claims to be our highest paid player.

Not if he wants to kick the bulk of his goals crumbing off other forwards he doesn't.

Second half of his was much better than the first, but still too easily leads his opponent to the football.


So what jimmae?
He beats them regardless.
Henderson was damn aggressive in the first half and was easily our best big man...IMO

Thank god he can also rove off our fumbling Is that his fault.
He's a bloody all rounder.

He can run, kick straight passes, kick straight for goals, close or from 50, Mark on the chest, over the head, rove, play KPF and KPB. I'd be surprised if he isn't an A grader. In fact, who is better than him and more valuable than Hendo in the CFC? In your opinion, and why?

Just 4 rounds in and he's played a lot of roles, forward and back. It's because he is capable, not incapable.

The way I see it bondi he can make the contact on the forward early and move off him, putting him on the back foot and buying more space to secure the ball closer to the corridor and without contact, or he can let the midfielder put the pass where he roughly wants it, and he can lead late.

What he's doing right now most of the time, is leading hard at the ball carrier without trying to forcibly break contact with his defender before the lead, meaning the defender feels him break from touch, has been watching the incoming ball carrier and has Hendo at least in his peripheral vision. From there is just genetics, and Hendo might have good repeat efforts, but he is not a world beater in a straight sprint.

Another bloke like that kicks them regularly now, and his name is Josh Kennedy. Food for thought.

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Did Bryce Gibbs give away that Mick Malthouse is about to quit?

DID Carlton star Bryce Gibbs mangle his words or was he revealing a bombshell about Mick Malthouse’s future?

The Blues midfielder was speaking at a press conference ahead of Carlton’s clash with Collingwood on Friday night — Malthouse’s 715th as coach. That takes him past Collingwood legend Jock McHale for the most games coached at VFL-AFL level.

Former North Melbourne champ Wayne Carey thinks so.

“My mail is that Mick won’t be coaching too long after he breaks the record on Friday night,” Carey said on Triple M.

“Someone who gives me this mail was very strong on the fact that not too long after (the record) that Mick will not be coaching Carlton.

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Oh for pete's sake!

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i wonder who carey's source is?

there were some whispers going around fairfax on Guy McKenna replacing malthouse should he retire before the season. CFC def won't sack him, but Mick might bail.

what's the general consensus with Bluey McKenna? i thought he did ok with the suns on gameday – esp now in light of how bad eade's going and the suns were considered locks for finals possibly even top 4/5 this season.

I gotta question player development & team culture under him though ... no suns player has really emerged as a superstar, and more than a few had the talent to i would've thought?


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