Traded out of the draft before in 1999 as well with no picks in the Top 60.

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Pelchen is Captain Obvious.

Doesn't matter how many picks below 25 we have, means nothing unless we pick good players AND develop them AND we don't run them into the ground like Kruezer.

In other words doesn't matter what we do with the playing list if we don't rebuild the club from top to bottom.

We need to rebuild the club, not the playing list.

Obvious to most but not the Carlton Football Club administration

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Interesting comment. Especially when clubs will need to pay a minimum of 95% by then also.

I think the best value we can obtain at the trade table will be offering up Murphy or Gibbs with an addendum of paying a maximum of 50% of their salary for up to two years.

Think that played a large and very understated part of the Bulldogs getting such a great deal for Griffen, and also allows us to best invest in younger talent on the list without the need to be hamstrung by meeting the minimum cap space, and say, keep Warnock for another year rather than invest in a mature age ruck on less coin but showing more in the VFL/SANFL/WAFL for example.

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I know 90% came up on the slide they showed but I was pretty sure he actually said 95%.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

our cap isn't tight end of this year. We had big money ready for boyd. (I know that for a fact) Pelchen is guessing.

These 2 posts have just made me sick! again!

Pelchen has an idea of the process but no one can say he's 100% correct.
I think he's added a bit of fat in case he gets the job and can't make it happen with the talent already there.

He suggests our window opens 21-22. That's 7-8 years.
He's suggesting Anyone over 23 won't be part of the window.
I really don't think our list is that bad.... But I'll have a good look.

Pies played in the 2001-2 GF and rebuilt and their window opened in 2009.
There's was a complete rebuild. Took 7 years.
Interesting to see how many on their 2002 list were on their 2009-10 list and how old they were.

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"66 game" rebuild seems to suggest that we think we can begin to challenge in 2018. When he re-signed with us, Gibbs seemed to think we would challenge within his 5 year contract...

IMHO though, a lot of ducks have to line up for that:
- Players we havn't seen much (or any) of yet need to come good. In (my) order of importance: Jaksch, Giles, DvR, Byrne, Boekhurst, Whiley, Smith.
- We need to absolutely nail our next two seasons of drafting.

Then as has been repeated, we need to develop them properly, get them playing a modern brand of footy under a coach they want to win for.

It's all possible, of course. Not sure how probable.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Judd retiring & Murphy or Gibbs being traded will make a lot of room in salary cap.

Carrazzo retiring may lessen it a bit as well.

Getting Thomas was a massive mistake on so many levels let alone what it did to our TPP. When does his contract end?

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Thomas signed until end of 2017.

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so murph. judd.. carrazzo.. simmo.. all gone.. and you reckon just let Gibbs and walker there on their own with rookies and failed picks... but thomas was a mistake...but graham is good.....

you obviously dont understand dynamics that help clubs function and give them a chance....

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Nor why having "cap room to play with" is necessarily a good thing.

Assuming we're building towards challenging in 2018 - it'll need to be spent on stop gap retreads and speculatives who we believe could be good with 3 or so years in the system that are speculated on even moreso than just a list spot, but "overs" salary as well.

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I'm very much of the view point we need to stick to value deals in terms of maximising what we get at every list spot while continuing to make 3 picks at every draft, preferably 2 inside the top 20.

Then, when it appears we are in with a tilt we start to leverage our existing salary structure and secure free agents. Having no cap minimum would actually help a lot with achieving that. It would be nice to bank some salary funds without worrying about a trade minimum given there are AFLPA agreements for player salaries.

Under such a philosophy, we never would have wound up with Jones or Tutt, at least not a third-rounder for Jones. We could have wound up with a bloke like Jesse White, who would actually work well in our structure right now.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

He's hopeless

For once the club should use a top 15 pick to draft a key forward

In an ideal world, you would draft the key forward this year given they take longer to develop.

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If we decide to move someone on Hendo to Freo might get us more than say Gibbs to Adelaide or anywhere.

Freo are right in the flag zone. Great mids, well coached, club ticking over like a well oiled machine.

.....but they have a glaring weakness and it's their quality KPP's. They are DESPERATE!!!!!!!

Hendo to Freo could get us a combination of Weller (who's being spoken of pretty highly) and/or Crozier, who is unlucky to be there with all the great small and on-ballers they have and/or bundled their first pick .

The two players are both quick with excellent skills and both very young.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Hendo isn't leaving Melbourne.
He was always coming back to Victoria.
Fevola deal when 2 Lions Ratten wanted declined the offer Hendo put his hand up.

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Just finkin' out loud bondi.

Things change.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

BB ... imagine how sick you would have been if we'd ended up with Bradshaw in the Fevola trade instead of Hendo!

:carltonlistmanagement:

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In WADA we trust

I thought you were.
Looking at options.
Just wanted to make sure posters didn't put too much energy trying to engineer THE trade.

I like the targets you mentioned and how a 2 for 1 trade can expedite our Renaissance.

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WCE might be willing to pay overs to get Yarran. He is what they need.

Maybe a first round pick and a young player?

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