We have a problem at the top.
Once that is sorted and this board leave and the stench clears.. Everything else will fall into place. If those people at the top are capable...
Moshe's fish bowl analogy is the right analogy in all this.
Toxic environment..
Right now we need results.. We're desperate for results.. They situation is a killer!
At the end of the year to makeover what's going on we will make the biggest offer to Dangerfield ever known to man.. Trigg will mastermind it.. In my opinion Dangerfield will reject us anyway

For we don't know how far we have fallen...

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Totally understand. But, the only influence the board has over the playing group right now is to keep mick or sack him. Im all behind a new board coming in, but the new people in the positions recently have to be judged accordingly over time and see what they bring. The same shit, different season under mick. I dont accept a guy getting paid 1mill a year to finish in bottom half of ladder. We have treat him with more reapect than one of carltons own, which gave a damn about the club. Its poor form

I think the place should be up for a total review by an independent body.
Without a doubt this needs to be carried out asap.

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Is the interchange limit coming down next year?

Can Mick run a game plan style with a cap of 80.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

don't worry about next year, he can't run one now

In the last 25 years, the five most successful coaches in the AFL have been:
1: Matthews (4 flags)
Equal 2: Malthouse, Clarkson (3 flags)
Equal 4: Pagan, Blight, Sheedy, Thompson (2 flags).

We've killed 2 of the best coaches of the past 25 years. I know some people will say "their passed it", but aside from the grammar, that's bullshit. Pagan was just 2 years past winning his 2nd flag in 4 years. Malthouse was one year past his 2nd successive grand final and 2 years past his 3rd premiership. Coaches don't get "passed it" in 2 years.

More accurate is that whatever the malaise is at Carlton, that's what's killed these guys.... not to mention Parkin, one of the most successful coaches of the previous 25 years.

So stop peddling revisionist crap.

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After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F .........
Visit http://fromthemoshpit.com/

Crap coaches but excellent clubs....

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excellent coach
great results
keep up the good work

no used by date, just like sugar

If it was the club how is it that some people stated the moment Pagan and Malthouse were appointed that we would go backwards.
Some coaches just dont suit and its easy to see.
Pagan and Malthouse were going to be disaster even before they were appointed

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It isn't the coach in isolation, a coach can't turn water into wine.

Pagan had no chance when he started, we would of been better keeping Brittain and sticking fat as Sticks would say.

We would of been better of realising where we were really at the end of 2012 and getting a ready made assistant in with a view of creating sustainable long term success.

Malthouse was brought in for the wrong reasons with a playing list not capable of delivering what the board wanted Malthouse to achieve.

Even this year they think we can play finals, at least publicly thats what their saying when in reality if we do it will be one of the greatest coaching achievements in the history of the AFL.

This side is barely better than what we had running around in 2005-06.

2 years ago we were at 11 o'clock...

Daylight savings tonight ?

So we're going even further back now?! JESUS

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

This is all turning out worse than i imagined when the masses went after Ratts. Dull thinking it was described as at the time.
They couldnt see it.
The players had another coach axing in them after Ratts. The process is well on the way. Malthouse cannot get another contract if the results keep going the way they are now.

Some nice picks this year will come in handy. Then a clean out. Lose some older talent in exchange for a new mix of youth.

Give whoever our new coach is a good chance.

I'm sorry but unless we pick a coach that is genuinely prepared to define a culture for the club and not just be an authoritarian, and one that's actually got the energy and ideas to take the club forward in terms of football development and strategy, we're cooked. The culture right now is to uproot everything when things go a little poorly and to burn the joint down when it's bad.

That culture has disenfranchised almost every aspect of the club. Trigg and Malthouse have both spoken about this, and I'm confident in their ability to work on the problem given they're actually prepared to put their egos to one side to work on it. Can the same be said about the bulk of the playing group, even with the more toxic personalities gone?

Not on last night's performance. They had misgivings about their own 22 and they did nothing other than bring performance levels down even more. There's not a @#$%&! chance we're as bad as what we showed on the night. That was a team without belief in each other, not a bunch of talentless hacks.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

The fact we have to stabilize now is because of ratten.
He was terrible...

Problem is were gone for a decade now.
Poor everywhere we are.

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Look at the state of our list
After 2011 the guy was signing up duds like Joseph and Davies for 2 year contracts
Senior footballers had no idea what was acceptable..

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get Bluevain as coach

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.