I don't remember the days kouta was a hack Sandra..

As you say, stats can tell you any story you want.

The poor defence is testament to when our downhill skiing mids where at their peak.

Sadly, I still worry about that today.

Doull played quite a bit of footy in the reserves prior to cementing his spot....

Barrassi wasn't sure about Doull from 1969 and 1971.....but finally challenged Bruce by saying to him in 1971 that there may be a spot for you in the back line mate.

Doull turned out to be a very handy player in the end ladies and gentlemen.

Parkin thought Diesel was a hack

And we thought Oliver was the next Bradman

Scott Howel and Bortolloto played in flags, skilton didn't

Nor did flower....

@#$%&! flower

Surely 1 premiership in the last 19 years means something.

Official Champion Data for the end of the 2012 season, had Carlton with the 3rd best midfield/rucks, 2nd best forwards and the 14th best defense.

we always need to be careful of stastical analyses becuase often the numbers can distort was is actually going on. The quality of possessions for example. There are clearances and there is also this other indicator called "clearances"

Nevertheless that's were champion data had our midfield ranked.

That year the swans knocked off the Hawks in the grand final. The Hawks midfield was ranked 9th in the league with the swans ranked 2nd. That's were the game was won. The swans midfield kicked about 7 or 8 goals in the 2012 GF, whilst the Hawks midfield didn't kick any. In a close game that was decided in the final minute, the performance of the swans midfield was crucial.

The Hawks recognised that weakness. They recruited Ratten for that very reason IMO (ratten may well be an ordinary overall team coach, but he does know how to organise a midfield and extract some attacking moves from it). In 2012 the Hawks list quality was ranked 1st in the league. It's not surprising that when they sorted out the midfield/rucks they snared back to back flags. They also reversed their losing streak against the cats in the 2013 finals.

When a coach takes over a list there will always be structural and players changes. But most importantly he needs to be positive, creative, gain the respect and trust of the playing group etc (see Ken, and what he did with the port list in 2012 which had a confidence level shot to pieces and ranked in the dungeons.)

We as a club make a lot of excuses from top to bottom....I wonder when that will change?

Yep ! get what your sayin' Cret ...........................defies logic dont it Cret.

..it all starts from the ruck Cret, even wit a torn meninscus Krooz still managed to set the tone.. ..Knockers is the new Ackland..

..use number one pick on a ruck, then run him into the ground before he is 24, and spend half the time trying to turn him into a forward when he is clearly a ruck..

..carlton list management on grand display/dismay..

Essendon* cheated, simple as that

Totally mismanaged....
It's not about just the hip and knee...

There is no doubt in my mind that Kreuz is totally responsible for our woeful game plan against the Eagles.

there is room to consider that Kreuzer just isn't very durable...