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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:25 am 
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I still feel MM should see out until the end of his contract because:
a) I don't want to see another $1M pissed away from sacking a coach
b) I want the club to put talented people around Mick instead of the ship of fools there now. Mick's a damn good coach, but it was typical CFC short-sightedness to think that just adding him to that crew would change anything.
c) MM's clearly been a good mentor over the years, and a smart club would've set up a natural successor the instant they signed him. But not us. And shame on us for throwing shitloads of money at one person rather than shoring up our entire coaching dept.

Too much of the previous regime still exists to blame MM alone. He was hamstrung from the start and never had what he had at Collingwood. Give him some decent tools to work with and see what happens. If he still fails, I'll be the first to wave him on his way.


Definitely agree he should see out his contract.
The problem I see DS is that we won't attract the quality around him we need.
I don't think the new young champs want to work with him.
If we attract Lingy, (for ex:) rather than Melbourne, as a successor coach in training,
then I'll be delighted.
Even though you'd think Carlton might be a better team to take over, it seems Ling at least would prefer to be mentored by Paul Roos.
That's if MM is even open to this concept after Collingwood.
That's one issue, but as many have said, how the f@#* do we change the polluted environment, and become a great club once again.

Use this last MM year to get the place together and offer hope for us beleaguered fans.
We've endured years of this crap and it's reaching high tide.
I feel for Kezza and others who once again hiked up to Sydney to watch CFC.
I don't think CFC handle years of loss like Tiges supporters.
I reckon we find other things to do.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:48 am 
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most coaches would work with mm

we didnt get coaches because we didnt offer enough

we were paying out coaches to have money to pay them in.........im glad to say none of my spandools went to that

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:09 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
MM's clearly been a good mentor over the years,


He's "clearly been a good mentor" hey?
How?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:27 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
MM's clearly been a good mentor over the years,


He's "clearly been a good mentor" hey?
How?


Alan Didak, Heath Shaw & Dane Swan :grin:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:31 am 
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All premiership players?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:32 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
MM's clearly been a good mentor over the years,


He's "clearly been a good mentor" hey?
How?

Given the number of apprentices he's had who have gone on to senior coaching (albeit with mixed success) I'd be confident in saying they all learned at least SOMETHING under him.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:44 am 
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the whole nobody wants to work under mick is ridiculous

his partnership with eddie and collingwood was highly successful on many levels

the problem is carlton.. not mick

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:21 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
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Remember InCretblelus ... the drafting records over the last 6 years...

Show them to us.... cant read your mumbo jumbo till you do.....

When you want to talk statistics .. you need to explore them in their true context.....

Monday noon.....

You have a deadline....youve been asked to do it for 2 months.. thats plenty of time to do whats required to be taken seriously....

an unwillingness to do so means you shirk your responsibility of being taken as a credible blogger on any topic.. and will be struck onto the registry and listed as Non Crtyblus

You still have time to be taken half seriously with any further content you will be adding here..
The fact that you dont have the galvanised backbone for 2 months only means you get back half credibility.....but still half is better than nothing... means half your posts can be taken seriously... at my discretion...

This is a no brainer for you... but it does take some guts....and some fortitude... some truth etc......honesty and integrity....

surely you wish to salvage something ???...



Now Mr S. I don't know where to start - the swapping and squirming all over the place is mind boggling. The internal conflict that you must be going through in order to rationalise your history of contradiction must be very annoying.

You have left a trail of Machiavellian witchcraft

But as we all know - spells don't work on everyone in here.

Far be it for me to defend Synbad, but your posts are puerile. Grow up and debate like a man. How old ARE you?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:31 pm 
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padre, i think u should concentrate on the issues or u will end up in my little black book ... (its not little anymore)
my debate with cret is our business.....
cret needs to give me a run down of our recruitment over the last 6 years .. and ports if he wishes to have his arguments taken seriously in our debate.
start your own if you want to include yourself... and ill get to you too...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:47 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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I find the protection racket run here by some for the $3,000,000 man interesting when he has so clearly failed in the judgement of the lists capabilities and the task he accepted with great confidence.

Surely people can see the current financial agreement with Mick is now in need of renegotiation and restructure...?


Unfortunately Rexy, when we signed MM we also took on his baggage.

We now have three dud coaches, a fitness guru and Micks personal kick to kick partner to pay for.

It will cost another 3 mill to get rid of them all.

Actually I would suspect the club could reasonably tear up the $3,000,000 contract on the grounds of gross failure to deliver on agreed terms.

We need to start again and rebuild the FD.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:54 pm 
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the whole nobody wants to work under mick is ridiculous

his partnership with eddie and collingwood was highly successful on many levels

the problem is carlton.. not mick

Carlton and Mick.

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It really is time for a ruthless challenge to this board from a group who will grab this club by the scruff of the neck and shake the absolute shit out of it.

They have to implement a modern and responsible approach to rebuilding not only the FD but the whole admin.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:32 pm 
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First of all I will be doing a Keogh synopsis at the end of this Season which I know you can't wait to read.

And I do have pleasure in knowing I was right all along

I was banned because I am over dumb stupid people who won't accept reality that we are basically shit

The thing I want to say is what does MM do now
He has made a statement on the list with Waite and Gartlett being dropped but it isn't enough

Case in point
Why play Graham as the sub for the second time in his only two appearances
Ellard who I have been a fan of should have been the sub

Will the MC drop Blaine Johnson
History says yes but give the kid a month of senior footy
Why persist with McLean
He is a c grade mid the game has passed by he is 28

MM needs to make a statement about the future in the remaining 6 games by playing kids

All this bullshit about kids not being ready
It's wrong where we are on the ladder
Bring in Holman for Thomas
So what if he is 750000
He is playing shit
Drop Yarran for skibbing it in that marking contest in the first quarter
Start doing these things to change the culture of the joint

Synbad
You know I agree with you about the big issues
Let MM see out his contract because of financial reasons
But he needs to start looking more to the future. He can with whats at his disposal because to me wins aren't as important as giving young kids experience ready or not


Finally Bryce Gibbs is a b grade mid at best so he doesn't deserve a five year 3 million dollar contract.
Once again a dumb decision by a dumb club
Just like the many dumb decisions made by the club in the past that I will go over when the seasons over


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:39 pm 
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Can't wait

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:41 pm 
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Is J Laidler > M Morton ?

Who knows & who cares.

Laidler should be happy at his fortune that after being flicked by the Cats & the Blues he is on the cusp of premiership glory......an achievement out of reach at his 2 previous clubs.

And we supporters are left with?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:41 pm 
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keogh wrote:
First of all I will be doing a Keogh synopsis at the end of this Season .




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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:53 pm 
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Not that i want to give your scattergun posting credence or oxygen by replying. But if you are going to repetitiously post a 'fact' you coukd at least get it right. The player you are talking about is Travis Boak, not Ollie Wines.


Are you saying Bartel and Selwood went to Adelaide to talk to boak? Not wines?

Check your records, you're sounding like Dean Wallis

Wines first year was 2013 you repetitive muppet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:54 pm 
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We appointed MM on another knee jerk reaction
Brittain. untried coach is found wanting > bring experienced coach with undeniable record
Pagan. Experienced coach fails. Criticism: not a navy blue> bring in a favourite son whos loyalty cant be questioned.
Ratten. Untried coach is found wanting > bring in experienced coach with undeniable record.

BUT just because it was another knee jerk reaction does not mean that it wasnt a smart move. Which brings us to a comparison between pagan and mm.
To many, pagans success was largely related to one man. Wayne Carey. He was the leader that their other players rallied around. To be sure there were some other talented players in the roos lineup, but it was carey that made the difference. "Pagans paddock" "no carey, no north" were the quips of the day.
North got lucky with a list that came through together and clicked under Pagan. Pagan got lucky with a group of players that suited his no nonsense tough game style. But it was old school.

Mick has shown over many years to be able to coach very well in many different player group environments. He has shown the ability to be able to bring the best out of players that needed some mentoring. He has been able to bring a pies outfit from bottom dwellers to near dual premiers. It took the Almighty Brisbane to stop them. He then needed to rebuild and regroup to launch another assault. This time he ran into another emerging powerhouse team , Geelong. The pies lost to the cats in the preliminary final in two years 07 and 09. Both times the cats were premiers, so arguably the pies under mick were unlucky not to have grand final berths in 07 and 09.
2010 they win the premiership
2011 they were the dominant side all season, but lost the grand final.


1999 collingwood a mess winning just 4 games.
2000 collingwood appoint MM. Win 7 games
2001 collingwood win 11 games
2002 narrow loss to brisbane in grand final. Win 15 games
2003 loss to brisbane in grand final. Win 17 games
2004 collingwood win 8 games
2005 collingwood win 5 games
2006 collingwood win 14 games. Lose the EF
2007 collingwood win 15 games. Lose the preliminary final by 5 pts to the new emerging powerhouse geelong. The eventual premiers
2008 collingwood win 13 games. Lose semi final to stkilda
2009 collingwood win 16 games . Lose preliminary to Geelong again , Geelong win the grand final again.
2010 collingwood win 20 games . Win the premiership.
2011 collingwood win 22 games . Lose grand final to geelong

Had it not been for two teams, brisbane and geelong , mick may have coached to a premiership in 02,03,07,09,11
Many if us still remember the dominance of the west coast sides that mick coached before collingwood.

How can anyone doubt his talent as a coach? On all levels he excels. But like collingwood before us we need to be patient, we need him to rebuild our list and develop our players, the results will be worth it. Comparisons to Pagan are inaccurate, different animal, old school. Mick has proven very recently that he can coach in the modern AFL arena and succeed at the highest level.

Mick has my admiration amd support. .


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
padre, i think u should concentrate on the issues or u will end up in my little black book ... (its not little anymore)
my debate with cret is our business.....
cret needs to give me a run down of our recruitment over the last 6 years .. and ports if he wishes to have his arguments taken seriously in our debate.
start your own if you want to include yourself... and ill get to you too...

Eer you do know that this is a public forum.....AND there is a pm facility for your err "personal business"?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:31 pm 
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remember the early days of Mick's public sermons?

"Its not about me", "we are all in this together" "the journey" "the process" etc

Now Mick thinks the problem solving must be "player driven"

I agree with him on this point with reference to the performance on the field.

Of course this is not the only problem we have is it Mick!

(the 2006 example at the cats, has been used many time before)

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