Seriously , who gives money to an organization that spends as recklessly as this club ???

Correct

Testicular procrastination will keep MM safe.

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Really interesting comment from MM praising Johnson. Mentioned after his praise he's a rookie "which is a bonus for us."

Doesn't expect rookies to be any good, to get one playing some ok footy is a "bonus."

How many rookie draftees do we have on the list again?

Mick and Woosha don't get along. So if it is true, we really should watch this space.

Half of Collingwood's current list are former rookies. I don't think that's what he meant. In any case I think he was giving a tick to Rogers. As well as him saying our list will be better when Holman and Sheahan play soon. Another tick for Rogers.

Sheahan from what I have seen in the VFL is very very promising. Wouldn't mind him pushing Tuohy out until he can find some form. Might make some mistakes but no more than Tuohy. For a guy who only played his first game in March and only moved here in January, it's a good sign.

(I may or may not just be looking for positives given we haven't won in nearly 6 weeks).

Who is to say that those guys wouldnt have developed under ratten or another coach?

- Rowe had testicular cancer in his 1 year under Ratten.
- White has long been highly regarded and was in the team everytime he was injury free under Ratten
- Yarran has improved most years that he has been at the club - who is to say that he wouldnt have continued that progression under ratten from ages 21-23? Yarran has been a reasonable player for close to 4 years with areas of improvement in each of those past 4 years.
- Casboult has only ever needed the belief that comes from playing consistently in the 22. He has developed/improved each year at the club and would have played earlier had he not suffered a knee injury late 2011 and early 2012. Given the promise casboult showed in late 2012 and the public kudos that ratten provided in multiple press interviews, one could easily imagine casboult playing most games in 2013 had ratten been coach (and consequently developed faster) - will be a monster by the time he has played 50 games.

Effort comes from motivation.
Sure he had a good first year under Malthouse, but what has happened this year. Doesn't look near the player he used to be and other players are down too.
Usually when a coach loses the players, the motivation and intensity drops off. Can't tell me this hasn't already occured in the list.
Bag a player out on media, good move coach

God I hope not.

Worsfold is clueless.

If you think MM is stuck in the past and slow to react Woosh is waaay worse.

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A lot of comparisons get put on here about hinkley.

Port Adelaide - Fast ball moving team, take on the opposition, good setups and motivated.

Carlton - Slow, predictable, stagnant game plan with no defensive setup. Easy to coach against.

If Malthouse was coaching Port Adelaide this season, they wouldn't be in the top 8 and be down in the bottom 6. There list isnt that great, but Hinkley's game style and plans work for his team. Has the players motivated underneath him and the intensity is up.

On the other scale, you have a team where yarran has even said the players aren't playing together, playing like individuals and as you can see there is no intensity at all. Carlton have shown no improvement since MM come to the club, just going further down and will continue this fall.

I don't think many people can argue that port would be going this well under malthouse and that is the point here. Old school coach against a has been

is that supposed to be a good thing?

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I wouldn't even call it that, it's more like promising on a beggar's market.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

In terms games missed by best 22 players through injury/suspension (i.e. not form)-> Judd 5, murphy 6, jamison 6, duigan 6, walker 7, carazzo 8, waite 11, henderson 11, hampson 9, ladler 18, ellard 12, warnock 5

Thats 104 games missed by those 12 players - whilst yarran played most games, he was impacted by throughout the season by turf toe. Simpson had his jaw broken during the year...

Nope - not that extraordinary... What about additional injuries to joseph, thornton & collins where they missed a few weeks each? Still not enough?

How about also having rowe, mitchell, casboult, davies, white, bell, ROK, buckley, bray and heyne missed huge chunks of early/mid season as well? - That is another 10 players , of which the minimum injury period was 6 weeks (bray) - everyone else spent 2 or more months on the sidelines.

Even guys such as watson (broken finger) & mcinness (ACL) that came in to the team eventually had season ending injuries

But no, nothing extraordinary there....

After 3 rounds in 2012, the club was 2nd on the ladder, had limited the opposition to < 70 points/game, and had a % of 194. The club started the season @ 5/6, which included wins against the pies (finished 4th) by 10 goals and freo in freo (7th).

Despite all those injuries, the team finished the 2012 at 11/11 and with a greater defence (points against/%) than we've had in our two seasons under malthouse.

But no, nothing extraordinary there...

Before you go & have a go at me - read the entire post I was responding to. It said Murph missed most of the year & Jamo did too. Which is not the case. Never said anything about anyone else.

I did.
The post you quoted referred to other quality players missing as well (but with no detail) - it also mentions 'a few key defenders and key midfielders out'

As for jamison and murphy

Jamison actually had a stress reaction in his back preseason (reported on SEN 7th Feb) and didn't get into the team until round 3 (13th April) - that puts it close to 2 months following the initial injury before he was selected in the team - but yes, he also missed the last couple of games as well.

As for murphy - he was injured on the 20th May, and resumed 13th July - again that is close to 2 months (bye in there).


Anyway, my point is - in the context of our defence, the team has actually gone backwards under malthouse over the past couple of seasons - particularly once you take in the medical room in 2012 compared with the past couple of seasons.

Didn't a dual premiership coach across the boarder call his ruckman "pathetic"

Get over it FFS.

MM is our coach for at least 18 months. Just flowering accept it.

For mine, regardless of whether it was MM or not, the lack of hard feedback (both in public and in private) is probably a quarter of the reason we are where we're at!
Garlett and Waite deserve all the spotlight they get.
And if Carazzo really loves the club, he ought to retire with dignity this year

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This, coming from Chief Ratten Sniper??

It is not MM or Ratts, it is the system, key resources, structures and most important of all it is the vibe!

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Self regulatory (intrinsic) motivation

The coach only adds the last 10% (if that)...And most coaches will tell you that!

Look at Nick Rievolt. Pavlich. They've played well under all their coaches. They just takes high personal responsibility for their actions on the field. Culture! High Expecttaions! Symbolism! Character!...that's what's also missing at Carlton apart from a terrible list

Do you honestly think Sam Mitchell would play poorly under a different coach?

Find another reason to pot MM. Your last one was weak.

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Absolutely! particularly in his 4th and 5th year
I cut Ratts some slack in his first 3 years.
I've gone on record as saying I didn't want MM. He's here now. I'll cut him slack till August next year.
How's your health these days verbs? Had some issues a few years ago. See, I care!

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