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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:26 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
What is the minimun TPP


$9.92 million


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:31 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Trigger wrote:
What is the minimun TPP


$9.92 million

Thanks


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:45 pm 
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I don't care if we let Bryce go.

Play Tom Bell on him and watch him let Tom get the ball. I don't fear Bryce causing us any damage if he were to play us. And that's exactly what other teams think of him.

That's basically how it looked on Friday night except substitute Bell for any number of Collingwood players from Swan, Elliott, Pendlebury and Macaffer etc etc.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 5:51 pm 
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Who with half a brain takes notice of tony shaw.

I do like the comments about gibbs being soft though. In a soft game you dont need to be tough. Actually get penalised for diving in, rough contact or suspended.

Number 1 pick you would expect him to be like a ablett or selwood, but he spent most of his career as a back pockey player, tagger or lose man in defense by coaches orders due to his good decision making and kicking ability.

Now he is playing in midfield a bit more in a game plan no one is following and criticised for looking bad like the other 18 on field.

But when 10 senior players retire in 3 years we will have no leadership at all. Trade in a big fish like judd as the club has no experience and have a bunch of kids running around like melb in 4 years.

Yeah all for letting him go based on posts by the experts on talking Carlton


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:23 pm 
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More Collingwood people telling us what to do.......then again our CEO will probably listen and do!


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:29 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..DT might not be playing at 625s, but he isn't right fit yet either.. ..however, you will pay overs most of the time to trade in from opposition clubs, especially via f.a.... ..was it worth trading in wonnie nornock at rëported 400 p.a when he didnt front up in his first year at all..?.. ..trading in injured players on top dollar is what we do.. ..judd, knockers, mclean, dt,, all recovering from body issues as we got them in, all on big bucks.. ..DT will get better, he will play at what he is worth, which may be below what we paid but that's the extra free agency cost, which is why you dont chase restricted free agents, cos whatever they are worth payin, the restricted aspect is like an exträ cost, surcharge I you like..


BKB it's an interesting one. Clubs take a punt on recruiting injured players. Look at the Hawks.

Burgoyne is brought in after having a knee op. Lake hardly played for a year or two but slotted in ok last year.

I believe the joint just stinks. It's toxic.

Unfortunately under MLG stewardship it be more of the same.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:37 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
Who with half a brain takes notice of tony shaw.

I do like the comments about gibbs being soft though. In a soft game you dont need to be tough. Actually get penalised for diving in, rough contact or suspended.

Number 1 pick you would expect him to be like a ablett or selwood, but he spent most of his career as a back pockey player, tagger or lose man in defense by coaches orders due to his good decision making and kicking ability.

Now he is playing in midfield a bit more in a game plan no one is following and criticised for looking bad like the other 18 on field.

But when 10 senior players retire in 3 years we will have no leadership at all. Trade in a big fish like judd as the club has no experience and have a bunch of kids running around like melb in 4
Yeah all for letting him go based on posts by the experts on talking Carlton



Yes that's right, keep him around to show the kids how to not put in any effort, not go when it is your turn and show no desire, that would be well worth it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:37 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
Who with half a brain takes notice of tony shaw.

I do like the comments about gibbs being soft though. In a soft game you dont need to be tough. Actually get penalised for diving in, rough contact or suspended.

Number 1 pick you would expect him to be like a ablett or selwood, but he spent most of his career as a back pockey player, tagger or lose man in defense by coaches orders due to his good decision making and kicking ability.

Now he is playing in midfield a bit more in a game plan no one is following and criticised for looking bad like the other 18 on field.

But when 10 senior players retire in 3 years we will have no leadership at all. Trade in a big fish like judd as the club has no experience and have a bunch of kids running around like melb in 4
Yeah all for letting him go based on posts by the experts on talking Carlton



Yes that's right, keep him around to show the kids how to not put in any effort, not go when it is your turn and show no desire, that would be well worth it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:43 pm 
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What makes people think that the 8th pick in the draft will be better than Bryce?


Can't be worse!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:03 pm 
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The most surprising element of this thread is how foolish so many of our fans are (dare I say it, on Tony Shaw's level) ... Anyone with any understanding would have expected a slow start from Daisy ... He's actually exceeded my expectation thus far, despite his shocker on Friday night.
He's our best player.

While I'm at it, Gibbs is not soft. Doesn't have any support - that's the bigger issue. Despite all the publicity, it's not our key position stocks that need fixing, it's midfield ... Want an example to back it up - Collingwood.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:03 pm 
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Malthouse made it pretty clear in his after match comments that he is looking for players who are consistently capable of turning up on the day and delivering, I'm beginning to wonder if Bryce Gibbs fits the criteria?


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:50 pm 
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Rabbit wrote:
Goltzenberg wrote:
Who with half a brain takes notice of tony shaw.

I do like the comments about gibbs being soft though. In a soft game you dont need to be tough. Actually get penalised for diving in, rough contact or suspended.

Number 1 pick you would expect him to be like a ablett or selwood, but he spent most of his career as a back pockey player, tagger or lose man in defense by coaches orders due to his good decision making and kicking ability.

Now he is playing in midfield a bit more in a game plan no one is following and criticised for looking bad like the other 18 on field.

But when 10 senior players retire in 3 years we will have no leadership at all. Trade in a big fish like judd as the club has no experience and have a bunch of kids running around like melb in 4
Yeah all for letting him go based on posts by the experts on talking Carlton


Yes that's right, keep him around to show the kids how to not put in any effort, not go when it is your turn and show no desire, that would be well worth it.


Not go when it is your turn?
Is this chasing guys with a 10m lead, 20m lead on him? He isn't fast, he is average paced. Wouldn't catch a quick midfielder with a 2m lead. Midfielders run 15km a game, they conserve energy when they can and get into the next position in the so called game plan. Which is what you expect. There is no point sprinting after a guy you will not catch with average pace. You expect it from Yazz and garlett, but you have to know your limitations.

I understand Gibbs is the whipping boy at Talking Carlton. But to just release a player you put years into a player is just stupid. Sure if he asks too much, you have to let him go, but you have to try to retain him. You could get a Yazz at pick number 7 or a brock mclean at pick 11 if compensation picks are still around. I doubt you would get a top 10 compensation pick for Gibbs anyway though.

TC whipping boys - Deluca>Fatnall>Stevens>Fevola>Brock>Hampson>Gibbs (but we loved Jordan Spud Russell)


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:14 pm 
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djnm97 wrote:
The most surprising element of this thread is how foolish so many of our fans are (dare I say it, on Tony Shaw's level) ... Anyone with any understanding would have expected a slow start from Daisy ... He's actually exceeded my expectation thus far, despite his shocker on Friday night.
He's our best player.

While I'm at it, Gibbs is not soft. Doesn't have any support - that's the bigger issue. Despite all the publicity, it's not our key position stocks that need fixing, it's midfield ... Want an example to back it up - Collingwood.


Look, you can't expect me to read anything you write if you have that as your avatar.
It's a bit distracting.Image

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:48 pm 
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$615,000


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:39 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
djnm97 wrote:
The most surprising element of this thread is how foolish so many of our fans are (dare I say it, on Tony Shaw's level) ... Anyone with any understanding would have expected a slow start from Daisy ... He's actually exceeded my expectation thus far, despite his shocker on Friday night.
He's our best player.

While I'm at it, Gibbs is not soft. Doesn't have any support - that's the bigger issue. Despite all the publicity, it's not our key position stocks that need fixing, it's midfield ... Want an example to back it up - Collingwood.


Look, you can't expect me to read anything you write if you have that as your avatar.
It's a bit distracting.Image


Apologies! .. Maybe I should change it ;)

Although, I'm probably not cruel enough to remove the distraction that saves you from reading my posts.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:55 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:

But when 10 senior players retire in 3 years we will have no leadership at all. Trade in a big fish like judd as the club has no experience and have a bunch of kids running around like melb in 4 years.

Yeah all for letting him go based on posts by the experts on talking Carlton


Like the club has any leadership at the moment...

And you seriously think Judd has trade value at the moment?

With respect, your comments are a bit out of touch.

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 12:10 am 
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I reckon Gibbs knows the club wants him traded.

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 12:24 am 
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Synbad wrote:
I reckon Gibbs knows the club wants him traded.


The club most certainly does NOT want him traded. They would want him to leave as a RFA.

But yeah the central point is both parties would be better served by him leaving. I think it will be Hawthorn - good replacement for Burgoyne, will take a bit of the load off Hodge as well.


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:53 am 
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I highly doubt he would leave Melbourne if he moves on from Carlton.


He'd probably go to the dawks like everyone else.

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2014 7:11 am 
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In a perfect world Daisy would give up $50,000-$100,000 of his contract to keep Bryce here (It isn't a perfect world).Gibbs is one of our top 10 players. Yes, he has underperformed for a top 1 draft pick, but it still doesn't change the fact he is better than most on the list.

Daisy is on 700k and on this money you would have to rate him as one of the top 30 players in the comp- which he isn't. I know he has injuries etc - but it is a big gamble 700k for an injured player.

Seems like Carlton constantly make a bad decision to cover for their previous bad decision. Maybe Gibbs will be a casulty of paying overs for Thomas. I hope Carlton doesn't trade with Collingwood for the forseeable future. It is bad enough being their gimps on the football field, let alone off it.


I just hope they get the best recruiting crew possible to the club some time as so far it has been one disaster after another.


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