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Big Kahuna Boot

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:16 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:54 pm
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ThePsychologist wrote:

Braithy wrote:

Agree!! We are screwing with henderson's development throwing him forward for 10 minutes, back for 10 minutes then rinse and repeat for the entire game.

Actually to expand on that point, has anyone who has attended games this year noticed how much players are thrown around? Even more so than before.

Henderson starts forward, 10 mins later is on defence, then back up forward and so it goes.

The same with Yarran, Simpson, Buckley etc etc.

Surely, for a side lacking confidence and self belief this can't be helping?

Just like to see them settle down into role for a while. Back ourselves in instead of playing to the opposition. Or does MM truly believe our list is that bad he has no choice?

..a while ago I mentioned a concern in passing that, while versatility and flexibility is good to have, that it may in fact prove to be counter productive if utilized too frequently.. ..especially with developing players and a team trying to 'gel'.. ..because we have so many holes it's a case of musical chairs..

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Effes

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:30 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:37 pm
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Location: afl.virtualsports.com.au

In

Jarrad Waite,
Matthew Watson,
Chris Judd,
Tom Bell,
Simon White,
Jeff Garlett

Out

Michael Jamison (Leg),
Nick Graham (Omitted),
Troy Menzel (Hamstring)

Interchange: 7 Dylan Buckley 10 Matthew Watson 9 Kane Lucas 28 Tom Bell 29 Heath Scotland 43 Simon White 38 Jeff Garlett *Three to be omitted

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AGRO

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:36 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:00 pm
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Effes wrote:

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bluechampion

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:37 pm

Robert Walls

Joined: Fri May 06, 2005 1:40 pm
Posts: 3464

CARLTON

B: A.Everitt S.Rowe L.Henderson
HB: Z.Tuohy B.Gibbs D.Thomas
C: E.Curnow A.Carrazzo C.Judd
HF: K.Simpson A.Walker D.Ellard
F: C.Yarran J.Waite L.Casboult
R: R.Warnock P.Cripps M.Murphy
INT (from): T.Bell D.Buckley J.Garlett K.Lucas H.Scotland M.Watson S.White

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mikkey

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:02 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm
Posts: 4129

Interesting - no Brock, who had a very good game in the NB. Also the only one in the leadership who did not tweet "united" - his account is actually "gone". Might be quite a big fall out between Brock and MM.

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Rod Spooky Galt

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:05 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:31 pm
Posts: 1390

How is Tuohy getting a game at the moment?

His form has been horrible this year so far. I loved his form of last year.

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Mark J

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:07 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:52 pm
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mikkey wrote:

Glad Slowman is not back in

Garlett shouldn't be back in

Rowe lucky

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bluegirl72

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:08 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm
Posts: 23924

mikkey wrote:

Yes.
It was reported on SEN that Brock , very late at nite, was asked why he wasn't playing.
One word he said. Mick. The tone apparently was a disgusted one.
(I'm just repeating what I heard here, and not embellishing.perhaps others heard this too?)
I still misss Laidler, despite everyone saying he was rubbish..the Swans thought he had something.
I reckon it's got to be a sign of immaturity in a coach if players can fall so easily in and out of favour with him.

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Megaman

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:11 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:26 am
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How is laidlaw going?

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Braithy

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:19 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm
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ThePsychologist wrote:

Braithy wrote:

I'd like to see Touhy get some heavy minutes in the middle too. He's got the body, mindset, footspeed and disposal to do something more than some of the current mids.

Id like that too but I wouldn't at the moment. He is really struggling. When he gets back to his best I'd give him some time in the middle to see how he goes.

I was thinking a run in the middle might help him find the ball and regain some touch.

At the moment he's on an island.. Other teams are isolating him down deep and going man on knowing he's out of touch. A run through the middle might be what he needs to get back on track.

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Blues Clues

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:24 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:01 pm
Posts: 2099

For me it's:

Ins - Judd, Bell, Waite

White, Garlett and Watto to miss.

Really hoping Wood for Warnock, our MC obviously don't rate their rucks.

Can't wait to see Docherty in, maybe one more week in the NB's.

You get the feeling the MC really don't think that Graham follows instructions at this level, they're just so quick to drop him. Good luck to big Tommy, hoping this can be his break out game.

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Navy Blue Horse

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:33 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm
Posts: 15848

Graham looked all at sea last week, like he was arriving in the right spot 20 seconds too late

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billc3

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:40 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm
Posts: 4629

Gee Graham is stiff. Also...what's Robbo's injury?
It will be interesting to see the attitude of the players in this one. Three dud efforts in a row and the place will explode....
I agree with some here...the club has gone WAY to early with the 'we're going to do something' message

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The Normal One

Post subject: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:39 pm

formerly King Kenny

Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Graham looked all at sea last week, like he was arriving in the right spot 20 seconds too late

Maybe a chance to adapt would be good for him

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Navy Blue Horse

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:40 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm
Posts: 15848

King Kenny wrote:

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Graham looked all at sea last week, like he was arriving in the right spot 20 seconds too late

Maybe a chance to adapt would be good for him

True, he hasn't been given a real good run at it I guess

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emtwenty

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:28 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm
Posts: 7074

mikkey wrote:

Brock deleted his twitter after he copped a lot of hate when subbed against Richmond. Deleted it that night.

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mikkey

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:01 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:27 pm
Posts: 4129

emtwenty wrote:

mikkey wrote:

Brock deleted his twitter after he copped a lot of hate when subbed against Richmond. Deleted it that night.

OK thx

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Steve S

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:05 pm

Bruce Comben

Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:15 am
Posts: 24

The falling out between Brock and MM is very, very personal. Too close to home to be easily mended. I doubt Brock will play another game, at least if my info is correct.

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limestone

Post subject: Re: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:36 pm

Trevor Keogh

Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:37 am
Posts: 770

ThePsychologist wrote:

Braithy wrote:

Agree!! We are screwing with henderson's development throwing him forward for 10 minutes, back for 10 minutes then rinse and repeat for the entire game.

Yep, just one reason why I hate the game these days. I can't keep up with it. You can't even sit down at the end of the game and says his person played well, because you don't really know who he has beaten . I loved the days when the talking point may have been Doull beat Knights, and Hunter killed Beetcroft , or Matthews killed Buckley etc etc.

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sinbagger

Post subject: R5: Western Bulldogs v Carlton (Pre-match discussion)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:32 am

John Nicholls

Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:18 pm
Posts: 9893
Location: Australia

Steve S wrote:

The falling out between Brock and MM is very, very personal. Too close to home to be easily mended. I doubt Brock will play another game, at least if my info is correct.

Very disappointing if true, when did this happen?

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