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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:23 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
Sugarcane wrote:
Poor performing clubs tend to sack their coaches every 2-3 years

The good clubs tend to have consistency in their coaching

Kick has built sides before, he has seen crises before, he has more knowledge and experience than any other coach out there right now

If he can adjust his game plan, which he has done in the past most recently at Coll to win a Premiership, then he should continue. It doesn’t bother me if we take a backward step and he realizes he needs to change, so long as he changes. Consistency is important. Blues probably panicked sacking Ratten. Now we have Mick let’s stick with him, so long as he is not pig headed about his game plan. I think he is a dog that can learn new tricks. Of course time will tell.

Here’s a Qn … Why did it take other clubs 30 years to pick apart his game plan?


The change is going to start this weekend accordiong to Mick :

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-to-ditch-defensive-style-in-bid-to-trigger-response-from-blues/story-fndv8f7j-1226883872586





..started last weekend actually, so not sure why we are blaming mm plan.. ..there was meant to be more free flowing, play on, run style but the Players kept holding on to the ball and going sideways and backwards.. ..the 'release the shackles' was last week, but they are lazy.. ..it isn't mm holding them back, it's themselves.. ..given freedom to play through the middle more, to not play so wide.... ..but what do you do when there is no effort nor team work.. ..team work mind you, has been missing since 2001..

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I'm sure a number of players' papers have now been stamped by Mick.

He'll give them freedom and go through the motions for the rest of the year while back in the office he'll be devising a new methodology and player target list for the years ahead.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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everbody in footy has to be up to it.
nobody will escape criticism forever if theyre in the job

the more u perform well .. the longer you will have in the sun
and if you dont perform.. like carlton.. its open duck season

mick knows that

and im sure some reporter will get a kick in the arse from mick again at some stage

thats what happens

dont try to protect the players.. ours are way too meek as it is

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:09 pm 
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If we kicked straight last week we would have won. If we didn't turn the ball over so much we would have won. Our kicking has been quite ordinary for the last 5-6 years. Kicking is a skill that can be developed. Why can't our coaching staff teach our players to kick? That and desire would go along way to fixing our side no matter who pulls on the jumper.

You have hit the nail on the head. Our kicking has cost us 2 games this year, Melbourne and Richmond. You could also make a point in round one when we were 7 goals 8 to 5 goals 1 we should have 6-7 goals up and the result may have been different too. I dont know why our disposal is so bad and why we cant kick straight for goal, i guess going around the boundary doesnt give us shots from in front.


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kezza wrote:
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If we kicked straight last week we would have won. If we didn't turn the ball over so much we would have won. Our kicking has been quite ordinary for the last 5-6 years. Kicking is a skill that can be developed. Why can't our coaching staff teach our players to kick? That and desire would go along way to fixing our side no matter who pulls on the jumper.

You have hit the nail on the head. Our kicking has cost us 2 games this year, Melbourne and Richmond. You could also make a point in round one when we were 7 goals 8 to 5 goals 1 we should have 6-7 goals up and the result may have been different too. I dont know why our disposal is so bad and why we cant kick straight for goal, i guess going around the boundary doesnt give us shots from in front.

Under pressure, they're just not collectively good enough.

It's a proven fact over multiple seasons now.

Time to rule a line...


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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kezza wrote:
malleefowl wrote:
If we kicked straight last week we would have won. If we didn't turn the ball over so much we would have won. Our kicking has been quite ordinary for the last 5-6 years. Kicking is a skill that can be developed. Why can't our coaching staff teach our players to kick? That and desire would go along way to fixing our side no matter who pulls on the jumper.

You have hit the nail on the head. Our kicking has cost us 2 games this year, Melbourne and Richmond. You could also make a point in round one when we were 7 goals 8 to 5 goals 1 we should have 6-7 goals up and the result may have been different too. I dont know why our disposal is so bad and why we cant kick straight for goal, i guess going around the boundary doesnt give us shots from in front.


I dont think it's the kicking...or general skills...it's not even the game plan

I have looked at the basics of the game as well as the lack of sustained workrate by the playing group.

With the exception of perhaps the 2011 season, these areas have been poor to ordinary for many years...

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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..what do we all think of simmo going on public record saying leadership group is fine, it's other players not putting in, "passengers" he called them.... ..any idea which ones he is referring to..?..

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..what do we all think of simmo going on public record saying leadership group is fine, it's other players not putting in, "passengers" he called them.... ..any idea which ones he is referring to..?..


Outside of Henderson and Simpson there aren't too many at the front of the bus.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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GWS wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..what do we all think of simmo going on public record saying leadership group is fine, it's other players not putting in, "passengers" he called them.... ..any idea which ones he is referring to..?..


Outside of Henderson and Simpson there aren't too many at the front of the bus.


..are you cool with him absolving the leaders, and saying his team mates are the "passengers".. ?

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..what do we all think of simmo going on public record saying leadership group is fine, it's other players not putting in, "passengers" he called them.... ..any idea which ones he is referring to..?..


Outside of Henderson and Simpson there aren't too many at the front of the bus.


..are you cool with him absolving the leaders, and saying his team mates are the "passengers".. ?


Not particularly.

They're not fine - they're almost universally shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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..no leaders.... ..are there passengers?, yes.. ..are leaders partly responsible for their being passengers?, yes.. ..but the Carlton way is to point the finger..

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..what do we all think of simmo going on public record saying leadership group is fine, it's other players not putting in, "passengers" he called them.... ..any idea which ones he is referring to..?..


the passengers are mimicking the leadership group

where is the leadership group

I cant see them


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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...there may well be too many passengers

we just don't know yet


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:19 pm 
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MM on FCC
Has lost it
Lost it 3 years ago on TFS when he wasted 30 minutes rationalising the fact that he should coach in 2012 over Buckley
Like last night

Worse than Pagan
Totally understand why the players hate him

Well done board
You have once again put a million dollars rope around the clubs neck

The players need to play despite him because he will be around for awhile or even better

Tank and after 8 weeks of losses and we can @#$%&! him off


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Cretylus wrote:
kezza wrote:
malleefowl wrote:
If we kicked straight last week we would have won. If we didn't turn the ball over so much we would have won. Our kicking has been quite ordinary for the last 5-6 years. Kicking is a skill that can be developed. Why can't our coaching staff teach our players to kick? That and desire would go along way to fixing our side no matter who pulls on the jumper.

You have hit the nail on the head. Our kicking has cost us 2 games this year, Melbourne and Richmond. You could also make a point in round one when we were 7 goals 8 to 5 goals 1 we should have 6-7 goals up and the result may have been different too. I dont know why our disposal is so bad and why we cant kick straight for goal, i guess going around the boundary doesnt give us shots from in front.


I dont think it's the kicking...or general skills...it's not even the game plan

I have looked at the basics of the game as well as the lack of sustained workrate by the playing group.

With the exception of perhaps the 2011 season, these areas have been poor to ordinary for many years...


Perhaps you could present the findings of your research because personally, I think thats baseless.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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MM on FCC
Has lost it
Lost it 3 years ago on TFS when he wasted 30 minutes rationalising the fact that he should coach in 2012 over Buckley
Like last night

Worse than Pagan
Totally understand why the players hate him

Well done board
You have once again put a million dollars rope around the clubs neck

The players need to play despite him because he will be around for awhile or even better

Tank and after 8 weeks of losses and we can @#$%&! him off


Have to disagree Keogh thought he was good especially when Lyon asked some direct questions and we got direct answers. Admitted our list lacks a graders and an important draft coming up.

Issue was when Wilson and Huthy kept interrupting trying to outsmart each other.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:44 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
keogh wrote:
MM on FCC
Has lost it
Lost it 3 years ago on TFS when he wasted 30 minutes rationalising the fact that he should coach in 2012 over Buckley
Like last night

Worse than Pagan
Totally understand why the players hate him

Well done board
You have once again put a million dollars rope around the clubs neck

The players need to play despite him because he will be around for awhile or even better

Tank and after 8 weeks of losses and we can @#$%&! him off


Have to disagree Keogh thought he was good especially when Lyon asked some direct questions and we got direct answers. Admitted our list lacks a graders and an important draft coming up.

Issue was when Wilson and Huthy kept interrupting trying to outsmart each other.


there in lies the problem

we simply don't have enough quality players on our list (A graders)

our list contains too many plodders (who generally can't kick)

this generation of players peaked in 2011

eventually you get found out when the acid test is applied from good teams

I think that even if we played at our best we would still struggle against the better teams

Having players like Robinson, McLean, Ellard, Curnow and Bell in the same midfield limits our potential

No doubt it is an area that Mick will look at bolstering in the next few drafts, that is if he is given the opportunity


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Blue Vain wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
kezza wrote:
malleefowl wrote:
If we kicked straight last week we would have won. If we didn't turn the ball over so much we would have won. Our kicking has been quite ordinary for the last 5-6 years. Kicking is a skill that can be developed. Why can't our coaching staff teach our players to kick? That and desire would go along way to fixing our side no matter who pulls on the jumper.

You have hit the nail on the head. Our kicking has cost us 2 games this year, Melbourne and Richmond. You could also make a point in round one when we were 7 goals 8 to 5 goals 1 we should have 6-7 goals up and the result may have been different too. I dont know why our disposal is so bad and why we cant kick straight for goal, i guess going around the boundary doesnt give us shots from in front.


I dont think it's the kicking...or general skills...it's not even the game plan

I have looked at the basics of the game as well as the lack of sustained workrate by the playing group.

With the exception of perhaps the 2011 season, these areas have been poor to ordinary for many years...


Perhaps you could present the findings of your research because personally, I think thats baseless.


Look up the 1%ERS stats yourself and examine the overall workrate

if you believe that the blues in the opening 4 rounds have ticked the workrate, 1%ers, and team sacrifices boxes, but have fallen short because of poor kicking execution or disposal then you obviously havent been watching these games..

In fact go back and watch last years final against the Swans up in Sydney. (39 tackles that day for the whole team with the midfield laying less than 10 tackles - and the others stats were just as damning - we continued that into this season - not surprising we are easy pickings for just about anyone we face. You cant win games if you are poor in the basics of the game. And there is the contested ball - lets not talk about that - I am eating my dinner at the moment.)

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WOW wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
keogh wrote:
MM on FCC
Has lost it
Lost it 3 years ago on TFS when he wasted 30 minutes rationalising the fact that he should coach in 2012 over Buckley
Like last night

Worse than Pagan
Totally understand why the players hate him

Well done board
You have once again put a million dollars rope around the clubs neck

The players need to play despite him because he will be around for awhile or even better

Tank and after 8 weeks of losses and we can @#$%&! him off


Have to disagree Keogh thought he was good especially when Lyon asked some direct questions and we got direct answers. Admitted our list lacks a graders and an important draft coming up.

Issue was when Wilson and Huthy kept interrupting trying to outsmart each other.


there in lies the problem

we simply don't have enough quality players on our list (A graders)

our list contains too many plodders (who generally can't kick)

this generation of players peaked in 2011

eventually you get found out when the acid test is applied from good teams

I think that even if we played at our best we would still struggle against the better teams

Having players like Robinson, McLean, Ellard, Curnow and Bell in the same midfield limits our potential

No doubt it is an area that Mick will look at bolstering in the next few drafts, that is if he is given the opportunity



Mick was so impressed with out list when he arrived that he made minimal changes during the trade periods at the end of 2012 (ie when he finished with his book touring and launching commitments)

In fact he said so publicly, that he didnt need to tweak too much with the list.

He also agreed with the club that going deep into the finals in 2013 was the goal.

started 2013 with a zip 3 record (made the finals by charity default, beat a petrified Tigers lineup and was exposed by an injured sydney team the following week in what was the worst finals performance by a carlton team that I can remember)

we are at zip 4 at the moment.

now we may drag ourselves out of this shit pit next week and maybe get a few wins. But finals will be hard from this position.

Something has changed since the end of 2012 hasnt it WOW -

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:51 pm 
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Only as good as the cattle you have on the park...We dont have many Thoroughbreads, glad a few new ones introduced, some more to come in the next few weeks.
Next year hopefully pick up some good players. Mick turned over the list at Colingwood, he will do the same with ours. In a couple of years time our list will be Totally different.
I know everyone wants the quick fix....But I hate to spoil the party...It just aint gonna happen. Sacking Malthouse is not the answer for me....We just havent the quality personell.


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