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Haha Redback; you're funny. Eddie made a call which could've gone one of two ways. As it was, it went the wrong way and he was left with egg on his face when Mick presided over a premiership win the very next year and then in amongst all the destabilisation that that stupid decision caused, still managed to preside over a GF appearance the FOLLOWING year.

Eddie, by ALL independent measures, made a blunder of colossal proportions.

You guys keeping on saying that up is down and right is left and 2 plus 2 equals 5 doesn't make it so. You're just making fools of yourselves.

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its fair to say micks last 2 years at collingwood were better thna bucks first two at the club

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unless im mistaken.........

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How come we are still talking about all this, and no action is happening at the club?
How many losses do we need to clean the place out do ya reckon?
Any chance we can rebuild without the eliticist cr$p that dog day afternoon's itself at our club?
If we clean sweep, then the new young Libs and sons and daughters of the old guard can't keep hijacking OUR club.
My ambivalent bomber supporting ex reckons most see us as the club you support if you are a Liberal voter. Geez he still knows how to hurt me!! but
I came from a Lib voting family, and hads to work out my self that I am opposed to many of that parties policies. (Not people who support them!!!!.that's every individuals right)
anyway..I don't see why our club has to continue like it's a bloody royal family, above everyone else, and above reproach, and buying its way out of trouble.
We need an INCLUSIVE club people.
Stuff the new frikkin Think Tank, unless it includes anyone who wants to think ideas into it!!!!!
I'm a bit slow to know what I think sometimes, but I know I feel angry, and want change.
Robbo ..yes Robbo on SEN today said 'ya know, the rich think they are in charge of everything.'
huh. It's true, and it nails our club and it's stupid mentality.
Booooooo! My parents might have liked that, but I don't.
We don't have to stay this way do we?
C'mon,
let's get a vote and bring in a change we all want to be a part of.
If we can't vote for change, then we'll have to stay away till we are finally asked what we want.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:53 pm 
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Don't worry BlueGirl, the players think 'nothing is wrong, except confidence, we are getting more vocal'.

The management say 'dont worry she'll be right, we will get there slowly, just stick together'

The coach says 'its a process, he is happy, work in progress'

The members say 'Yeh, but Nah, we are flowered !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

No-one accepts any responsibility.

By the way, anyone see a Photo of Murphy at AFL house today wearing his jumper with his name of the back. Boy does he look embarrased in that jumper.....

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Murph has as much vocal range and delivery on field,
as a wet teaspoon.

(may have ripped off Hermione Granger with that.)

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And you know what - The players we have still can't @#$%&! kick :banghead:

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chubbyruss wrote:
I went to the G on Saturday

If our blokes on the field were playing for the coach, I will suck eggs


Before they play for the coach, these overrated primadonna's should take on at least a basic level of personal accountability and responsibility
PLAY FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR OWN DEVELOPMENT
PLAY FOR THE CLUB, THE JUMPER AND THE RARE PRIVILEGE OF BEING A WELL PAID AFL FOOTBALLER
THEN PLAY FOR YOUR COACH

Gibbs has been a disappointing soft cock under three coaches
Waite has been an unfulfilled talent under three coaches
Warnock was shithouse under Ratten and is still shithouse
Maclean was on the outer with Ratts and is now on the outer
Bootsma showed nothing under Ratten and still shows nothing
Scotto has been good under three coaches
Hendo has been good under two coaches
Simpson has been good under three coaches

I wasnt a fan of the MM appointment, but those wanting to see the back of him are part of the problem. Get over it guys. He aint going anywhere

Despite the false hope that MM sold us, the bottom line is our list is so flowering shit, I'm not convinced we'd win the VFL grandfinal

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99prelim wrote:

Despite the false hope that MM sold us, the bottom line is our list is so flowering shit, I'm not convinced we'd win the VFL grandfinal


Is MM is coaching you may be right. :thumbsup:

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Haha Redback; you're funny. Eddie made a call which could've gone one of two ways. As it was, it went the wrong way and he was left with egg on his face when Mick presided over a premiership win the very next year and then in amongst all the destabilisation that that stupid decision caused, still managed to preside over a GF appearance the FOLLOWING year.

Eddie, by ALL independent measures, made a blunder of colossal proportions.

You guys keeping on saying that up is down and right is left and 2 plus 2 equals 5 doesn't make it so. You're just making fools of yourselves.


That's how I understand things to be Mosche.

Looking at what happened in Buckley's first year after the GF appearances, nearly all Collingwood fans I've spoken to thought it was a huge mistake to let FIGJAM take control.

Eddie's reasoning for the decision to put a transition plan was because he had concerns for Mick's health. I find that hard to believe given he had concerns for his health. What, give him 2 more years which may or may bot kill him. Laughable.

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Blue Vain wrote:
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Malthouse game plan has won the Premiership across 3 decades each of which has had different trends in football emerge. We have a successful game plan, just no players to make the most of it.
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John Kennedy senior won 3 flags within 15 years. Why hasn't someone snapped him up?
Too bad Norm Smith isn't around still. He won 6 flags. That makes him twice as good as Mick.

Obviously if someone had successful gameplans previously, it means they do now!


So what you're telling me is they all won numerous flags with a consistent game plan that didn't vary much. Is that right?


What I'm telling you is it's ridiculous to suggest that because a game plan was successful previously, it has to be today.

A quick look at the AFL ladder should give an indication as the team who is living in the past is 0-3 with a percentage of 64 while the successful teams of 2014 are implementing a gamestyle based upon retaining possession.

Its not an opinion. Its a statistical reality.

Forget the personalities. This isnt about Mick or Ratts or anyone else. Its about how the game is being played. How is there any value in winning a contested possession and putting it back into a contested situation?
With the opposition players also spending 40 hours a week at the clubs preparing set ups, doing opposition analysis, structural and tactical drills, zone specific training, meetings etc, how do you expect our players to transition the ball from defence to attack when the opposition know exactly where we're going to kick the ball?
Everyone knows Geelong and Essendon** will bring the ball from defence with fast hands, playing in at every opportunity or Hawthorn will slice you up with short kicks but what part of the ground do they use? They take the corridor, the wings, anywhere there's space. They dont go back behind the mark giving the opposition an opportunity to set their zone. It's a lot harder to set a zone against players when you're protecting the width of the ground and the ball movement is quick.
Their speed of ball movement gives them a numbers advantage and they use it beautifully,
Comparatively, how easy are we to play against? We let the opposition know our patterns of play so they can condense their press and what's more, the kick-mark/contest tempo gives them ample opportunity to set their press beautifully.

How would you like to be a Carlton backman? They're told to press up the ground when the ball comes out of defence and guard space. Only to see the ball turned over by virtue of our intentionally contested game style and meanwhile their lazy opponents are out the back for easy goals.
Even if our players were worldbeaters and won 60% of the contested footy, we're still giving the opposition 40% of the possession after we've had 100%.
And you're telling me thats a good game plan?


Most teams, especially the good ones are trying to force their opposition to go wide, we do so as a matter of choice. We are helping our oppositions defensive strategy before the game even starts.


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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
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but his plan has made finals the last 7 years

its not his fault

just ask him



..and it still would.. ..lyons plan has worked for years now, clarko's too.. ....all require nonstop effort, and genuine team work.. ....no plan works with us cos we are lazy, when our talent was at it's peak and Judd carried us, we could still never get close to top four, cos we lack effort.. ..pure and ample.. ..salty malty might not be the answer, but he also is not the problem..


So because Clarkos game plan works and Lypns too, Malthouses must work as well?
I love your logic BKB. :grin:

Our game style is nothing like Hawthorns, or Freos so why compare?

Yes all game styles require effort and genuine yeam work but they also require strategies that work. This gamestyle became redundant 2 years ago when everyone else starting implementing the press. There is no room for your high half forwards or key forward to lead into. Thats what Mick needs to understand and obviously you as well.
Coaches counter strategies and this one became a dinosaur after 2011.

To suggest its all because our players are lazy and we had success because Judd carried us is lazier.
Mick isnt the problem but his actions are well and truly contributing to the problem. Inflexibility. Poor support coaching group, the recruitment of Thomas.
All to suit his purposes, not Carltons.



..that's not what I said.. ..what I said is this, the game plan is less important, than the understanding and team work to carry it out all game all season.. ..mm game plan may not win the flag, yes.. ..never said it would, but it will get you to finals which is what I said.. ..the press didn't stop mm, the press is lot of mm plan.. ..the way mm wants us to play isn't too dissimilar to Lyon's system.. ..

..do you think Lyon has reworked his saints style all that much?, serious question..

..we aren't talking about a decades old style here.. ..the Strangelove bomb is funny, but it is not malty.. ..it is us, we have been bombing it blindly for a decade.. ..the bomb is the blues bad habit style.. ..I can tell you any and every defence focused coach hates the bomb.. ..mm system was understood late noughties, yet they still made top four.. ..media talked it up, those top two years with a flag and runner up, it took a champ team to beat them, and it was champion driven, not a picking art of system, but hard work and finishing skill with composure.. ..our team is not a team, has not played as a team for a decade.. ..blame what you think is the mm game plan, go for it.. ..and when he is moved on sooner or later.. ..you can blame the next coach.. ..like we have collectively done before.. ..its easier to switch the coach, and just ignore the playing group culture..,


You make some good points, especially about playing culture, as our problems are and have always been multi faceted. It should never have been, just get rid of Ratten and the rivers of gold will flow, just as getting rid of Malthouse will not immediately save us now....but....

Rule changes and our list composition make MM's gameplan difficult to implement. This is compounded by the unfortunate reality that a number of our players over the last few years have injuries that have impacted on their seasons and/or impacted on their pre-seasons. So many of our guys just look gassed and that can look like lack of effort, although I do agree that some could work harder. A number of teams are using holding possession as a way of taking a breather, even more so than in previous seasons. It is something we should do more of.

MM had Cloke, Dawes in probably his only decent season, with Brown to bomb to...and they did bomb at times. The difference being they had the contested mark king in Cloke to kick to. You certainly make a good point that adherence to gameplan is just as important as the plan itself, but teams of different eras no matter how talented their lists playing the way did in their pomp would struggle to break down modern tactical structures. You need the right gameplan and the ability and discipline to carry it out in my view. I don't believe that our current gameplan is cutting edge or suited to our list anyway.

We aren't sacking MM anytime soon so I just hope he can tweak his plan and bring in the players he needs to implement it with as little fallout as possible. The Melbourne experience under Neeld should hopefully be an example we learn from, so that we don't make the same mistakes they made.


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You can bring in all the coaches in the world with this group of players, but it's their attitude that stinks.

They are more worried about their hair cuts, businesses, contract money and stepping on each others toes than the club and being successful.

We should hire a psychiatrist than a coach.


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CARLTON coach Mick Malthouse is set to abandon his ultra-defensive philosophy in a bid to trigger a response from his players against the Western Bulldogs on Sunday night.

It’s believed Malthouse plans to release the shackles and drop hard taggers against the Dogs.


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Effes wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-to-ditch-defensive-style-in-bid-to-trigger-response-from-blues/story-fni5f5nx-1226883872586

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CARLTON coach Mick Malthouse is set to abandon his ultra-defensive philosophy in a bid to trigger a response from his players against the Western Bulldogs on Sunday night.

It’s believed Malthouse plans to release the shackles and drop hard taggers against the Dogs.

Rabble, imagine if Ratts did that. Oh boy, wowee


We did the same thing last year after the first three rounds, dare I say it - bruise free football is what the players really want

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Good call Mick, see how the underachievers shape up under their own game plan, no hiding if we lose this week.


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If that's true, it's staggering that it's public knowledge by Monday evening.

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Should have done it against the Dees :lol:

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Need to get the players enjoying playing again.

Not a matter of being bruise free, some revisionist history saying we played open bruise free footy under Ratts. Ratts issues were more an inability to build a list properly.


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