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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:08 pm 
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Dangerfield is a power footballer.. but probably played to a lesser standard than Gibbs.
He flashes in and out and doesnt run defensively either.

But yes.. he is grunt and power so even if inconstent we have a circle jerk and pretend hes the ants pants.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:24 pm 
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Is anyone on the list worth $700k ?

No player of the last how many years has been developed into a '700k' player.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:51 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/matthew-lloyd-reckons-bryce-gibbs-not-worth-700000-20140329-zqodo.html

YOU'RE DOING IT ALL WRONG, MONGA

Article says that Jamo's deal should be inked soon.
Fact is Gibbs isnt worth $700,000, this FA stuff will soon settle down and clubs will soon realize that cant keep throwing big money at players and then will struggle to hold onto their own.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:08 pm 
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I might be overly cynical here but is the reason why Carlton will not give Gibbs a blueprint for the long-term vision and plan for the club because there is none?????

A lot of the problems with this football club stem from an administrative standpoint. This directly flows back into the football - which is the "operations" aspect of the club or the "product" being offered.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:15 pm 
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Anyone under the employ of the club should be able to see the blueprint for carlton and our plans for success. I have no issue with Gibbs asking for this however I dont believe he is elite in our side or anyone else


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:17 pm 
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sandramd1967 wrote:
I have no issue with Gibbs asking for this however I dont believe he is elite in our side or anyone else


This has made me stop and think who Carlton has on their list that can be currently considered "Elite".

The cupboard is pretty bare.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:22 pm 
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Gibbs should log on to Carlton website and watch Maher and Maclure if he wants to see the Blue Print

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:47 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
sandramd1967 wrote:
I have no issue with Gibbs asking for this however I dont believe he is elite in our side or anyone else


This has made me stop and think who Carlton has on their list that can be currently considered "Elite".



...or similarly who in our team would, if fit, consistently be in the starting line-up of one of the top 4 clubs?

Simmo, Hendo, Murphy, Thomas, Walker, Garlett perhaps?

Judd?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:01 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
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Maybe the question needs to be asked why have our players gone backwards. Gibbs, murph, krooz, yazz, and others looked like they were all ready to one day dominate this league in their first couple of years. I would say it is no coincidence that majority of our list has flatlined or gone backwards. Our player development has been non existent for years. Maybe we asked too much of these guys too early in their careers ... ie I honestly believe our football club had destroyed krooze's career making him carry 90% of the ruck duties as a teenager into his early 20's and playing him when injured. We have run him into the ground. Hopefully with a long rest he can become the player we all know he can. As for Gibbs, I honestly believe he has been on of our most important player over the years and still is due to the times he has and can carry out as well as his versatility. But again I asked why has his career flatlined ? I don't blame the player and agree that I don't think the carlton footy club is the place for him to become a superstar. At the end of the day Bryce needs to do what is best for him ... And it hurts me to say this currently our footy club offers him little compared to some others.

Who do you blame, out of interest?
Gibbs must surely take responsibility for the way he plays. No one can coach a bloke fo put his body on the line. Gibbs is soft and that can't be coached. Gibbs won't play where the team needs him, only wants to be the midfielder racking up easy touches. I suppose thats the clubs fault too?


How many players can we blame at the one club before we start looking at how they got here and how they play as a unit? :confused:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:01 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Cool Runnings wrote:
Maybe the question needs to be asked why have our players gone backwards. Gibbs, murph, krooz, yazz, and others looked like they were all ready to one day dominate this league in their first couple of years. I would say it is no coincidence that majority of our list has flatlined or gone backwards. Our player development has been non existent for years. Maybe we asked too much of these guys too early in their careers ... ie I honestly believe our football club had destroyed krooze's career making him carry 90% of the ruck duties as a teenager into his early 20's and playing him when injured. We have run him into the ground. Hopefully with a long rest he can become the player we all know he can. As for Gibbs, I honestly believe he has been on of our most important player over the years and still is due to the times he has and can carry out as well as his versatility. But again I asked why has his career flatlined ? I don't blame the player and agree that I don't think the carlton footy club is the place for him to become a superstar. At the end of the day Bryce needs to do what is best for him ... And it hurts me to say this currently our footy club offers him little compared to some others.

Who do you blame, out of interest?
Gibbs must surely take responsibility for the way he plays. No one can coach a bloke fo put his body on the line. Gibbs is soft and that can't be coached. Gibbs won't play where the team needs him, only wants to be the midfielder racking up easy touches. I suppose thats the clubs fault too?


How many players can we blame at the one club before we start looking at how they got here and how they play individually and as a unit? :confused:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:33 pm 
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CarltonClem wrote:
I might be overly cynical here but is the reason why Carlton will not give Gibbs a blueprint for the long-term vision and plan for the club because there is none?????

A lot of the problems with this football club stem from an administrative standpoint. This directly flows back into the football - which is the "operations" aspect of the club or the "product" being offered.


Not cynical at all, I'd say highly accurate. He knows it & realizes staying at Carlton means he will never have the chance of playing in a premiership.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:23 pm 
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Doesnt matter what happens from now even if he gets bog against ess,we all know what type of a player he is so let hold off contract talks and see what deals we can make or draft choice we can recieve.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:27 pm 
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Gibbs is a good to very good footballer. He is not a champion. He is not in the best 50 players in the comp.

If another club wants to offer him $3 mill over 4 years, I would not match. Happy to take pick 10 (or thereabouts) as FA compo for him.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:29 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Happy to take pick 10 (or thereabouts) as FA compo for him.


Do you think there will still be compo picks?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:33 pm 
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Effes wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Happy to take pick 10 (or thereabouts) as FA compo for him.


Do you think there will still be compo picks?


Only compo picks for UNRESTRICTED free agents are a chance of going this year according to AFLPA.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:49 pm 
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So Gibbs is asking the club for a blueprint (pardon the pun) of their future direction. Maybe the club should sit him down and ask him a few questions: When will he start performing consistently, when will he be a match-winner, when he will go hard at every contest, when will he finally live-up to his potential?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:51 pm 
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I'm not fussed either way, as long as if he does go we don't go and bring someone else in who would remove the compo. I would have no issue with bringing in Patton with those two picks if that's the way it plays out.

And Synners, you asked a while ago which player coaches would prefer of Gibbs and Murph. One of them has won a Coaches Award, in 2011 I believe. Does that answer the question for you?


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I would have no issue with bringing in Patton with those two picks if that's the way it plays out.


You could get a quality KP with one pick and a quality player of any position with the other pick. It would be madness to put all your eggs in one basket.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:04 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
I'm not fussed either way, as long as if he does go we don't go and bring someone else in who would remove the compo. I would have no issue with bringing in Patton with those two picks if that's the way it plays out.

And Synners, you asked a while ago which player coaches would prefer of Gibbs and Murph. One of them has won a Coaches Award, in 2011 I believe. Does that answer the question for you?

2011 is 2011....
This is 2014... why not say double brownlow medalist juddy is who everyone would want right now...???

one of the problems with people is they do not understand things for what they are......

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:08 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
I would have no issue with bringing in Patton with those two picks if that's the way it plays out.


You could get a quality KP with one pick and a quality player of any position with the other pick. It would be madness to put all your eggs in one basket.


I don't think 2 top 10 picks for Patton is madness. Hes already shown enough to suggest he's going to be better than 'quality'. You'd be paying a premium for exposed form and in this case I would do it. I get your point, however.

Put it this way - GWS are in a unique situation with the three players they have at the same age and all such high quality. Offering them a couple of picks for Patton helps them keep the wage bill down in the medium term.


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