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Blue Vain

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:28 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 18010

trublu wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

scottopee wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Michael Jezz wrote:

Mick prunes 25 percent of the list
Mick moves Simpson back and reinvigorates him
Mick remodels buckley as a running back
Mick personally gets Everett and Thomas to carlton
Mick puts Duigan forward to win us a final
Just be careful you don't turn coaching appointments into a personality contest
He is the best thing going for us

You remind me of my dog Michael Jezz. Roaming around my backyard dropping turds and walking away without any accountability. :lol:

Its like your post the other day about Mick making us defend. :lol:

You post absolute nonsense and walk away with zero responsibility to the bullshit you post.

Just remind me, if Mick is the best thing going for us, why are we 0-2?
Why are we conceding more points per game than we were under Ratten?
Why is our winning percentage under your hero less than it was in the previous 4 years of Ratten?
Why are we paying twice as much for a coach who is delivering less?
Why are you crowing about Mick pruning 25% of the list when the reality is we've made less primary list changes under Mick than most of the successful sides above us have?

Just to put in perspective "the best thing we have going for us", lets look at Micks achievements at Carlton compared to the last 3 years of Ratten. (You know him, the guy you unmercifully shitcanned)

Under Mick we've conceded more points per game than we did in Rattens final 3 years.
Under Mick we've kicked less points per game than we did in 2 of Rattens final 3 years.
Under Mick we're 16th in the AFL for disposals so not only are we conceding more and scoring less, we cant actually keep the ball when we get it. (Thank God for Melbourne and GWS although I suspect theyll surpass us this year)

All for the cost of upwards of $1,000,00 per year plus the money we've spent to pay out coaches he didnt like! What a pisser!
I'll PM you my address later. You and my dog can compare droppings.

Post of the year

Agree.

Ratten had Judd. Juddy carried this team. Mick doesn't have that luxury.

Interesting theory. On one hand I'm told Judd is an unaccountable midfielder.
But on the other hand, Carlton were defensively better under Ratten because Ratten had Judd. :donk:

Which is it exactly?

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grrofunger

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:29 pm

Bruce Doull

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:04 pm
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Location: Prison Island

trublu wrote:

The renovation has begun. Plenty of development going into the next crop. Mick will slowly introduce a few more kids and give them a taste but only when they are ready.

Few things I've heard.......

Mick is working over time to convince Ben Reid to join he Thomas at he blues... Watch this space.

Spoke to a 'very' senior player who is very impressed with Cameron Giles. He thinks this kid will play plenty of games.

Bryce Gibbs and the club are about 200k per year apart. Also precious Bryce wants to see how much on ball time he gets as the crows see him as genuine on ballet and not a utility.

He sure is a genuine at ballet!

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

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Hornet

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:48 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm
Posts: 7354

Blue Vain wrote:

trublu wrote:

scottopee wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Michael Jezz wrote:

You remind me of my dog Michael Jezz. Roaming around my backyard dropping turds and walking away without any accountability. :lol:

Its like your post the other day about Mick making us defend. :lol:

Post of the year

Ratten had Judd. Juddy carried this team. Mick doesn't have that luxury.

Interesting theory. On one hand I'm told Judd is an unaccountable midfielder.
But on the other hand, Carlton were defensively better under Ratten because Ratten had Judd. :donk:

Which is it exactly?

Getting your hands on the ball first limits some of the scoring damage going the other way

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gerry atric

Post subject: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:05 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am
Posts: 2125

Michael Jezz wrote:

Not sure I see a touch of genius in any of these. I admit I loathe the guy, but he hasn't done much so far to show he is a million dollar coach. Ross Lyon took a pretty unremarkably list and had them playing finals straight away. Hinkley has taken a basket case Port way past us. We need a long term coach who is not there to prove a point to his former employer.

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Blue Vain

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:16 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 18010

Hornet wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

trublu wrote:

scottopee wrote:

Post of the year

Ratten had Judd. Juddy carried this team. Mick doesn't have that luxury.

Interesting theory. On one hand I'm told Judd is an unaccountable midfielder.
But on the other hand, Carlton were defensively better under Ratten because Ratten had Judd. :donk:

Which is it exactly?

Getting your hands on the ball first limits some of the scoring damage going the other way

We conceded 292 more points last year than we did in 2011. Thats the best part of 50 goals!
Yet Chris judd average an extra 1.4 clearances per game, not an extra 10!
Even if he cleared the ball, kicked it to himself, ran past, handballed to himself and kicked the goal, he'd have to play 33 games per year to be the difference.
Considering the bloke cops so much grief here for being unaccountable and lacking a defensive game, he must be God when it suits the argument.

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cimm1979

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:20 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:12 pm
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Ugly stats BV.

Hope we get better.

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trublu

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:26 pm

Serge Silvagni

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:12 am
Posts: 915

redback wrote:

trublu wrote:

The player I spoke to also said our skill level isn't a problem. He agrees we don't have some of the best users by foot but also believes The issue is the lack of structure up forward. The players are almost second guessing themselves because the lack of tall targets or even medium to small hit ups. He said that basically our boys are almost kicking in hope or passing in hope to create something.

This I believe and it makes sense.

We have been pointing this out for a while.
If we haven't got these structures in place what system is there to go forward.
Everyone is caught behind the ball without forward targets.
We break down without targets in place and bomb in hope to get distance or a lucky break.

This is where Micks structures and plan break down and have us looking like chooks.

This isn't good enough from an experienced coach.

It isn't. I also know that Andy McKay was keen to bring in an knowledgable assistant from another club to help with this but Mick was against the idea.

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Trigger

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:44 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am
Posts: 1826

trublu wrote:

redback wrote:

trublu wrote:

It isn't. I also know that Andy McKay was keen to bring in an knowledgable assistant from another club to help with this but Mick was against the idea.

I have heard it all now!!!

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Trigger

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:48 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am
Posts: 1826

So we have disposed of the ball 36 i repeat 36 times directly to the oppositon and that is a problem with our fwd structure , please do not treat us as complete fools!!!

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Trigger

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:09 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am
Posts: 1826

And by the way, this is the same a.mckay that oversaw mr Hughes until mm came in.Spare me.

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redback

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:36 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:17 pm
Posts: 2645

Trigger wrote:

So we have disposed of the ball 36 i repeat 36 times directly to the oppositon and that is a problem with our fwd structure , please do not treat us as complete fools!!!

Let me try and explain it.

No forward structure means

>>>>>>>> no forwards to hit up in the right positions

>>>>>>>> this means long hopeful kicking for distance

>>>>>>>> but best positioned player/s is the opposing team

>>>>>>>> most part of the 36 direct disposals to the opposition coming into our forward line or rushed kicking out of defence because of our players defending behind the ball and caught out of position (structure).

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london blue

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:49 pm

Robert Walls

Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:08 pm
Posts: 3253

gerry atric wrote:

Michael Jezz wrote:

must say that Port are actng impressively on and off the field. Love the way the are going about their football

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Trigger

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:41 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:06 am
Posts: 1826

redback wrote:

Trigger wrote:

So we have disposed of the ball 36 i repeat 36 times directly to the oppositon and that is a problem with our fwd structure , please do not treat us as complete fools!!!

So we are talking about fwd stricture but now it is defence as well.Fantastic, our players cannot hit a simple target and it is mms fault.
Boy are we out of our depth.

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verbs

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:45 pm

Stephen Silvagni

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:04 am
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Location: *Currently banned*

Malthouse would be good if he was coaching us 19 years ago. Too old. Too slow. 2014 dud.

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bluegirl72

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:49 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm
Posts: 23921

cimm1979 wrote:

Ugly coaching BV.

Hope we get better.

efa.

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Blue4ever

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:55 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:42 pm
Posts: 2463
Location: Princess Park

MM or Ratts, I believe we would be in the same situation. I have more faith in MM to get us moving and start developing a competitive list than I would with Ratts at the helm.

The issue with Port was they had banked some good talent and Hinkley is getting the best out of some of the older guys. The CFC however hasn't banked much talent unfortunately.

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Blue Revival

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:17 pm

Serge Silvagni

Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:36 am
Posts: 983

london blue wrote:

gerry atric wrote:

Michael Jezz wrote:

must say that Port are actng impressively on and off the field. Love the way the are going about their football

and this shits me to tears no end! in little more than a year, they have gone past us as though we are standing still. which, we clearly are!!

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Michael Jezz

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:37 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:52 pm
Posts: 2044

gerry atric wrote:

Michael Jezz wrote:

You are kidding yourself if you compare freos and ports list of 2012 2013 wifh carltons

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cimm1979

Post subject: Re: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:46 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:12 pm
Posts: 15582
Location: Upper Swan.

bluegirl72 wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

Ugly coaching BV.

Hope we get better.

efa.

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gerry atric

Post subject: start the renovation Mick

Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:26 pm

Rod Ashman

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am
Posts: 2125

Michael Jezz wrote:

You are kidding yourself if you compare freos and ports list of 2012 2013 wifh carltons

You were saying that at the start of last season were you MJ, (or is that Christi Malthouse). And if our list is so terrible that even a genius like miserable Mick can't help, why did we get him? He was expressly employed to win a flag while we still had Judd. I presume he won't have taken the job or the $s, if he didn't believe that was possible. Now apparently our list is woeful and M M is bravely holding us back from the abyss. If the coach has no responsibility for performance why have him?

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