oh shit i was quite gone, it was supposed to sound alot better than that i was just having a dig, that also probably explains why it got posted so many times im sorry it was just after my 21st, i then proceeded to pass out, and my girlfirend was not o pleased with me in the morning nor was my head

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dane's trolling again

Collo sounds a bit like GT. It was TD's fault you got smashed in that last quarter

I'm quite happy i posted this now, this is brilliant... just to clarify i hate what big jack did to the club, he robbed us of so much but we will rise again from this and be better for it.

I am not sure if Collo is the man for the job however

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dane's trolling again

MEMO TO JOHNM:

I'm not worthy
I'm not worthy

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"In better news for Blues fans, Jarrad Waite was not named on the club's injury list."

Carlton has lost it's identity and what it stands for since the departure of Big Jack. We all know he made mistakes along the way but the good things he achieved over 20 years are unfortunately not remembered.
This football club will never have success under Ian Collins. This is the simple truth. Success comes from the top and is filtered through to the players and coaches. If anyone here thinks that Jack was no good for the club they need to have a good look in the mirror.

I am not here to defend Elliott and the previous board but our club at the moment lacks passion under the current regime. We struggle to attract sponsors, players, coaches and the like. The Carlton brand is being ruined by Ian Collins and his board.

All I can say is thank God for our huge following around the country otherwise this club would now be extinct.

To you Mr.Collins I have one thing to say to you. "I hope you are comfortable in the thought that yoiu were the reason our club was investigated for salary cap breaches back in 2002. It was you and your mate Demetriou that started the sniffing around so you can have your day and get rid of Elliott. You also showed your true colours when working for the AFL and the treatment you served up to our club. Then again you had your chance to redeem yourself on that fateful Black Friday in 2002 by taking out an injuction against the AFL and the Draft process. You just sat there and accepted the draconian penalties imposed on us. Then again it's only the CFC that cheats the cap. "

The worst part of all this for me is that I actually voted for this moron but I was blinded at the time. The worst decision I ever made.

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WE ARE CARLTON, WE ARE ARROGANT AND WE LOVE IT!

Bring back Jack?

I prefer Johnnie Walker.

Before Jack came along Carlton was the brand. Before Jack came along Cartlon was the team. Carlton was miles ahead in all apsects.

Jack rode that history for ten @#$%&! years and I measley flag. Then he stayed on while he rode it into the @#$%&! dirt.

Anyone who thinks Jack was anything but a mistake for this club needs to take a good hard look in the mirror.

Look at what this club was doing from 65 to 85 and compare that two elliot's years. We are still suffering thanks to his momentous legacy.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Some say John Elliott was drunk on power. I say, it was whisky

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Love Cricket? Love me

Blame our lack of success and all our problems on Collo...bit like taking over from George Bush and copping the blame for events in Iraq....
Court injunctions...please cmon.....no money,no sponsors caught red handed breaking the salary cap rules thanks to Oreilly dobbing us in and you expected Collo to go to the courts....he did the right thing..plead guilty, open the books and try and clean up our brand name.
I give Collo points for taking the job on.....plenty of big business leaders would have baulked at it and run for cover and let some other poor sod do it knowing you were up against it....no wonder he has cardiac problems. Mike Fitzpatrick for example didnt want a bar of the club or its problems....not often I would stick up for anyone in senior management but if ever there was a poison chalice it was the Carlton football club courtesy of John Elliott and his board...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen

We would have won that one would we LC? Or would it have just added another million in legal costs? For all his bluster big Jack has managed to spend what was left of his fortune on pointless legal pursuits that he lost. He did the same for the Blues in the legal challenge over Deisel's outrageous suspension. Cost us 500 grand and we didn't win.

lt's all very well to say that you go to court and everything is okay. Even if it seems you are right, the legal system is based on the letter of the law, which doesn't always equate with natural justice. With Deisel clearly the League decsion was unjust but legally they had the right do make that decision. I suspect any challenge to Black Friday would have ended in tears. Jack is a dishonest man, and it's good to see that his dishonesty has brought him undone, unfortunately it has hurt a lot of other people along the way.

the only thing buffoon jack achieved was having people believe what loyalcarltonian believes .... oh yeah, he was good at being a drunk too

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... an eagle flew out of the night. he was something to observe, came in close i heard a voice, bending stretching every nerve, had to listen had no choice ...

Nice one John (M that is).

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"Whoever said you can't buy happiness forgot about puppies." - Gene Hill

worth reading this crappy thread for JohnM 's post!...

Brilliant - he says with an irish accent

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“Every single element of the Club has to be the best in the league, meticulously and methodically, and only by doing this will we be elite and challenge for number 17.”
Greg Lee

Jack was good to laugh at!. People are kidding themselves if they think he has turned his back on the club. He still goes to most of the games even at TD. Time was up for him at Carlton helm but he did more good things than bad for the club.

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"Dont count the games, make the games count"

Carlton's identity should be a big red nose and a dishonest cheating lecherous litigatious public drunkard?

Pig's Arse

Did anyone who couldnt make it to the Blues vs hawks game at the TD in about round 6 this year catch the Chanel 9 interview of Jack. I think it was Tony Jones who intereviewed him. He was drunk as piss and he kept going on about how Denis Pagan was the saviour of Carlton and how Collo was ruining the club, quite funny.

Before revisionism completely takes hold lets remember how he represented our club. Habitually drunk and accused of groping women, smoking on The Footy Show thus losing the Quit sponsorship and generally behaving like an arrogant pig.

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"Whoever said you can't buy happiness forgot about puppies." - Gene Hill

Besides that this is absolute rubbish (“bring back Jackâ€

Jack has never been wrong at least in his own warped mind.
The worst parts of us come back to bite us on the bum or more appropriately the pigs aaaaaaarrrrrrrsssssseeeee

Yeah Jack stuffed up and his arrogant contempt fpr the AFL seemed to incite them to take it very personal and really up the ante on our penalties for exceeding the Cap.

Whilst Jack was wrong, it shows that the decision makers at the AFL at the time were not above personal acrinomy. Jack stiffed up and I could not welcome him back as a Carlton official in any capacity, but whilst he sinned he still loves the blues and I can almost forgive him. What I cannot forgive is the excessive treatment we received at the hands of the AFL.

Whilst there remains an ex Essendon* president as Chairman who has vested interests and conflict of interests I will continue to have an intense dislike for the AFL administration. And dont get me started on Demetriou and Anderson......

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“Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile a way and you have their shoes."