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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:00 pm 
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Graham's there as a resting mid, Jim. He, Murphy, Gibbs etc. They could do some damage rotating in the pocket.
Buckley has to show more before he gets a gig IMO.
McInnes has to show he has his mobility back to acceptable levels otherwise Walker will take the 3rd tall. He struggles there a bit in marking contests his run is an acceptable trade off. There's a shitload of potential midfielders in the side which gives us plenty of run and adaptability.

Yarran, Menzel and Garlett should be in the mix for that, along with Tuohy. These are the names that should be looked at before Graham.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:17 pm 
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Blue Boots wrote:
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HB: Walker Armfield Simpson

I've never seen Armfield on KPPs. Does he have the height and strength to go with Cloke, Kennedy, Riewoldt etc?


Armfield played his best football when named at CHB in 2013 :razz:


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:59 pm 
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Horses for courses approach:

For teams without two tall forwards:

B Tuohy, Jamison, Carrazzo
HB Docherty, Everitt, Simpson
C Walker, Murphy, Thomas
HF Yarran, Henderson, McLean
F Garlett, Waite, Armfield
R Warnock, Judd, Gibbs
Int Robinson, Kreuzer, Curnow
Sub Scotland

For teams with two tall forward threats:
B Everitt, Jamison, Carrazzo
HB Docherty, Henderson, Simpson
C Walker, Murphy, Thomas
HF Yarran, Kreuzer, McLean
F Garlett, Waite, Armfield
R Warnock, Judd, Gibbs
Int Robinson, Curnow, Tuohy
Sub Scotland

EMG: Bell, Lucas, Watson

I'm sending Carrazzo back, we need him performing his shut down job on the opposition best small forward. We've haven't had a good small defender doing that job since we move Carrazzo into the midfield. We don't need him as a tagger now that we have Curnow and there's no way Curnow is not in our best 22.

Scotland would be perfect as the sub coming in for maximum impact. Docherty and Yarran would be the two players with their positions under threat.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:49 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Graham's there as a resting mid, Jim. He, Murphy, Gibbs etc. They could do some damage rotating in the pocket.
Buckley has to show more before he gets a gig IMO.
McInnes has to show he has his mobility back to acceptable levels otherwise Walker will take the 3rd tall. He struggles there a bit in marking contests his run is an acceptable trade off. There's a shitload of potential midfielders in the side which gives us plenty of run and adaptability.

Yarran, Menzel and Garlett should be in the mix for that, along with Tuohy. These are the names that should be looked at before Graham.


Cant agree. Graham has shown an ability to play midfield already. The others haven't. It's about adaptability. You cant rotate your total midfield through the bench. We need multi position players in as many positions as possible. Graham has smarts around goal and will be a bona fide midfielder with another pre-season. He can rotate with Murphy/Gibbs etc and we wont lose a lot. I cant say the same for Menzel or Garlett.
Anyway. You have your team, I have mine. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:58 pm 
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B. Tuohy Jamison Everitt
HB. Simpson Henderson Docherty
C. Thomas Gibbs Walker
HF. Judd Rowe Yarran
F. Garlett Waite Menzel

R. Warnock Curnow Murphy

I. Kreuzer Carrazzo Robinson Armfield


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:51 pm 
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I don't understand why people continually place Hendo at CHB.

The whole idea is find a way to get him forward....where he belongs.

Lets see what the draft brings. May change a few things if we get J.T.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:39 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Graham's there as a resting mid, Jim. He, Murphy, Gibbs etc. They could do some damage rotating in the pocket.
Buckley has to show more before he gets a gig IMO.
McInnes has to show he has his mobility back to acceptable levels otherwise Walker will take the 3rd tall. He struggles there a bit in marking contests his run is an acceptable trade off. There's a shitload of potential midfielders in the side which gives us plenty of run and adaptability.

Yarran, Menzel and Garlett should be in the mix for that, along with Tuohy. These are the names that should be looked at before Graham.


Cant agree. Graham has shown an ability to play midfield already. The others haven't. It's about adaptability. You cant rotate your total midfield through the bench. We need multi position players in as many positions as possible. Graham has smarts around goal and will be a bona fide midfielder with another pre-season. He can rotate with Murphy/Gibbs etc and we wont lose a lot. I cant say the same for Menzel or Garlett.
Anyway. You have your team, I have mine. :wink:


I agree. People seem to think it's a belief that Yarran or Garlett aren't any good that's why some people don't pick them.

IMO it's because that restrict our flexibility and options through the middle and that is more vital than anything in the modern game. I have no doubt that Menzel will develop into a mid and will do small amounts of it next season.

Yarran struggles to last off HB and Garlett just doesn't have the nous to be an on baller. This restricts us badly.

Personally I'd rather be giving Graham, Tuohy, Gibbs, Murphy, Judd, McLean, Menzel, Robinson, Carrazzo, Thomas etc rotating through the midfield and forward line ala Geelong & Sydney. It gives flexibility and options, is hard to match up on, unpredictable and I bet would kick as many goals as leaving Yarran & Garlett down there on a permanent basis.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:40 am 
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mikeychook wrote:
I don't understand why people continually place Hendo at CHB.

The whole idea is find a way to get him forward....where he belongs.

Lets see what the draft brings. May change a few things if we get J.T.


Totally agree. Just need to find someone reliable for CHB.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:15 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
mikeychook wrote:
I don't understand why people continually place Hendo at CHB.

The whole idea is find a way to get him forward....where he belongs.

Lets see what the draft brings. May change a few things if we get J.T.


Totally agree. Just need to find someone reliable for CHB.

The issue is that we don't have a second quality key defender on the list other than Henderson.

Watson and Everitt may fill that role eventually but I think it's unlikely unless they can correct some significant deficiencies in their game.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:05 am 
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That's why I was keen to grab Jaksch last year. KPP who can play back or forward. Very bottom aged.
I understand Menzel is very talented but our list balance is too skewed towards mid size players who aren't true midfielders IMHO.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:53 pm 
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B. Tuohy Jamison Everitt
HB. Simpson Watson Docherty
C. Thomas McLean Walker
HF. Waite Casboult Gibbs
F. Garlett Henderson Menzel

R. Kreuzer Curnow Murphy

I. Carrazzo Robinson Judd Yarran

Tipping I'll change my mind 40 times before the season starts.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:37 pm 
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McInness Jamison Curnow

Tuohy Watson Walker

Simpson McLean Lucas

Thomas Henderson Gibbs

Kruezer Waite Garlett

Warnock
Judd
Murphy

Yarran, Robinson, Menzel, Everitt

A combination of youth and experience.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:02 am 
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B. Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB. Simpson Henderson Walker
C. Gibbs Judd Thomas
HF. Garlett Waite Yarran
F. Robinson Watson Menzel
R. Kreuzer Murphy Curnow
I. Everitt Carrazzo Warnock Lucas

Leave the 2013 back line in place, try a different forward combination, add some runners


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:05 pm 
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For me after the drafts,
Simpson Jamison tuohy
Docherty Watson Walker
Yarran Gibbs Scotland
Thomas Henderson everitt
Menzel thorp Garlett
Kreuzer judd murphy
Carrazzo Robinson armfield
Sub; graham
Reckon Waite is done, lucky to play 10 games a year...
Watson has to step up...
Pick 39 for Mitch thorp, ready made key forward...
Menzel, graham and docherty will be ready come round 1...
Can only carry so many slow mids with ordinary skills, McLean, bell, cachia and curnow can rotate...
Pick 13, would love to land Ben Lennon, but hopefully we get a good mid...
We must use our picks wisely, or we will be in more strife...


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:23 pm 
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I'm going to pick my best 22 with 3 KPD and 3 KPF.

The coaches can decide if they drop 1, or 2 in favour of mids and more run.
I'm proving to myself we have plenty of talls to fill the tall spots (barring injury).
If MM chooses to play 2 KPD and 2 KPF, at least we know we have 6 KPs to pick from, barring injury.

Gettting 1 ready to go young mid at pick 13, Thorpe and Tippett at 39 and 51, I'd be over the moon.
But that's another story called "The impossible dream".
Having said that, if there's 'great' mids around the same pick, I mean really 'great' gets I'd take the mids.

I'm not expecting more than a solid and reliable BP from Docherty at this stage. He's still young. Wont be surprised if he plays in the NB's and we can cover the BP with Tuohy Armfield Yarran or Simpson from the 22 or any of the emergencies. Maybe Graham is ahead of him. :idea:

Swingmen aplenty with Everitt 194 Waite 196 Henderson 196 Watson 195 and even Jamison at 193. Scary isn't it?


B: Everitt Jamison Docherty
HB: Simpson Watson Tuohy

C: Thomas Judd Walker
R: Warnock Gibbs Murphy

HF: Yarran Henderson Garlett
F: Menzel Kreuzer Waite

IC: McLean Curnow Armfield Robinson.

E: Graham, Scotland Carrazzo.


Waite and Watson may be out injured as they were end of 2013 or dropped and we would employ smaller and quicker emergencies.
We look quick. Other than Warnock, Rowe, McLean, Carrazo, Curnow and even Gibbs and Casboult who can show a burst everynow and then.

My gut feeling says we should include Bell and get games into him.
I'd even be content if he took Brock's spot just to have him in.
I dont think that would happen, but Bell will be promoted onto our list and he will play a dozen games at least...maybe finals.

Scotland, Carrazzo, Waite, Judd, Simpson and McLean are going to be replaced by Bell, Docherty, Graham, pick 13 and of course Thomas, so I'm not discounting those 5 young mids..and fingers crossed Buckley.

White and McInnes are the back up 3rd talls in defense.
Casboult and Rowe are the back up KPF/ ruck.
Unless these 4 improve a lot in 2014, we will improve there in 2014 Trade period.

Tippett could take CHB and/or Thorp would take FF.

Maybe play one ruckman and that spells bye Warnock for me. :?:
Its mandatory for me to have 2 rucks in a GF.

I too am not counting on Waite playing more than 15 games and hopefully they are in the finals.

List still looks great barring injury. To think we can only add more talent now with 4 draftees and 5 rookies.

15 new players, new fitness guru, altitude training and another preseason, MM and list work better, game plan clicks....we should be knocking at 4th spot.

Buckley may take us by surprise...watched his game against Cats today...I missed a lot of his work everytime I previously watched that game :beer:
There's still Laidler and Duigan to consider too. NB's looking a stronger outfit in 2014.

Its wonderful what a difference Thomas and Everitt make. :thanks:

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:04 am 
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Joel Tippett, 25yrs 197cm 94kg.. Pick 51. CHB
Mitch thorp, 24yrs 194cm 91kg.. Pick 39. CHF
If we end up with,
Thomas, docherty, everitt, Tippett, thorp and Lennon/Salem,
Gee whiz, would be rapt..


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:21 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
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Graham's there as a resting mid, Jim. He, Murphy, Gibbs etc. They could do some damage rotating in the pocket.
Buckley has to show more before he gets a gig IMO.
McInnes has to show he has his mobility back to acceptable levels otherwise Walker will take the 3rd tall. He struggles there a bit in marking contests his run is an acceptable trade off. There's a shitload of potential midfielders in the side which gives us plenty of run and adaptability.

Yarran, Menzel and Garlett should be in the mix for that, along with Tuohy. These are the names that should be looked at before Graham.


Cant agree. Graham has shown an ability to play midfield already. The others haven't. It's about adaptability. You cant rotate your total midfield through the bench. We need multi position players in as many positions as possible. Graham has smarts around goal and will be a bona fide midfielder with another pre-season. He can rotate with Murphy/Gibbs etc and we wont lose a lot. I cant say the same for Menzel or Garlett.
Anyway. You have your team, I have mine. :wink:

Fair enough, but I'd rather look to continue to develop those names as Mick did last season, or was I the only one noticing Menzel, Garlett & Tuohy pushing right up the field?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Graham's there as a resting mid, Jim. He, Murphy, Gibbs etc. They could do some damage rotating in the pocket.
Buckley has to show more before he gets a gig IMO.
McInnes has to show he has his mobility back to acceptable levels otherwise Walker will take the 3rd tall. He struggles there a bit in marking contests his run is an acceptable trade off. There's a shitload of potential midfielders in the side which gives us plenty of run and adaptability.

Yarran, Menzel and Garlett should be in the mix for that, along with Tuohy. These are the names that should be looked at before Graham.


Cant agree. Graham has shown an ability to play midfield already. The others haven't. It's about adaptability. You cant rotate your total midfield through the bench. We need multi position players in as many positions as possible. Graham has smarts around goal and will be a bona fide midfielder with another pre-season. He can rotate with Murphy/Gibbs etc and we wont lose a lot. I cant say the same for Menzel or Garlett.
Anyway. You have your team, I have mine. :wink:

Fair enough, but I'd rather look to continue to develop those names as Mick did last season, or was I the only one noticing Menzel, Garlett & Tuohy pushing right up the field?


I think you're both right!

All those mentioned are up for it and competing for a spot in the 22....and good enough to earn a spot....in the 22, let alone 25.

It depends o development, improvement, injury and form.

We're looking for a strong squad of 30 with redundancy support built in to every line and position.

I like the objective of flexibility. Having siad that I have come to BV's thinking that Ratten's list have the advantage of speed, so if MM's plan doesnt work, there's always the surprise of Rattens 'speed' demons. We need both....imo...both ways predictable on their own.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:24 am 
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..Malty teams are quick teams as well, it's just rattens speed demons were one way attack or bust types.. ..Malty teams always had their runners, they were never as slow as roos/ross type teams where it's defence 'almost' at all costs.. ..but Malty teams requires huge fitness and huge work ethic, as all top4 [malty teams often in top 4] teams must have.. ..and our issue for a long time now has been mental toughness.. ..i think we improved in this area for parts of the year..

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