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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:58 pm 
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All true - and I didn't put it together, but it's still a decent representation on how we're traveling list wise.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:15 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
I'd say Menzel is more of a med fwd at the moment than outside mid.

Plus that doesn't account for the 8 free list spots we have at the moment.

Walker could also be a med fwd.



And Temay is nothing more than a small defender at this stage.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:38 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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ok...so you can throw Henderson fwd and add Docherty, but as an overall look into where our strengths and weaknesses lie - it's plain for all to see.



Good graph Doc Sherrin.

Key forwards is the problem.

Casboult, Rowe and Waite ....the 3 mouseketeers.

None of them fill me with confidence....but I like the courage of Rowe at least.

Waite technically owes the club $800,000 (based on overpayment/underdelivery- recruited under the Whitnall rule) but as long as he plays 10-12 games and kicks 15-20 goals a season all will be happy..going on past seasons. Personally, although he is much loved amongst the Carlton fraternity, I am hoping that next year is his last and Carlton don't re-sign him. Scotland I can see the benefit in re-signing. He has at least delivered good seasons and placed in the b&f.

Maybe they will have to try Watson as a key forward?
Menzel strikes me as a good medium forward as well as a midfielder...so hopefully he can fill a hole.

Lots of fingers crossed... so many requirements even to challenge for positions 5-8.

eg - Can Kreuzer play more than 3 good games in a season? Hopefully.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:22 am 
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You only need 1 to 2 key forwards. You need 15 mids.

We need to recruit another key forward and another key defender but don't let the unbalance between the kpps and mids fool you. There SHOULD be an imbalance. It's not as bad as it seems.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:06 am 
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Andain wrote:
You only need 1 to 2 key forwards. You need 15 mids.

We need to recruit another key forward and another key defender but don't let the unbalance between the kpps and mids fool you. There SHOULD be an imbalance. It's not as bad as it seems.


..you need at least 4 kpps, 2 fwd and 2 back, on the field.. ..and then you want depth/youth quality pushing up the ranks..

..personally though i think we're all looking at that list from the wrong angle.. ..yes the types are good to look at, but my worrying thought was the lack of genuine quality in the 50games and under bracket.. ..not much there at all to be looking at in regards to the 'next crop', and with our picks this draft not much going to be added either..

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:10 am 
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That table is pretty useless in terms of meaningful data representation.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:55 pm 
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List management to me is like a game of freecell (some would say chess, but I can't play that), with players represented as the cards.

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Those that play it know that no matter how well you go for patches, unless every move you make is thought-out and all possible outcomes and scenarios are considered, you will inevitably find yourself stuck in a situation where:
- The cards you need are out of reach, or can only be reached if you get or remove another type of card that is out of reach
- You can't get rid of the cards you don't want because others (that you can't get to) need to go first
- You have no room in your spare cells to accommodate the ones you don't need
- You've overcompensated with a certain type of card, thus unbalancing your overall deck and removing cards you could use for trade
etc.

Carlton is the freecell player that jumps on all the obvious moves from the start, getting a few right in a row before running into an unwinnable position they can't escape from (unless they go back to the start). Others (such as Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong etc) go for the less obvious choices at the start, less concerned with making moves happen than they are about getting to the top of those piles, piece by piece. They do this by keeping their deck balanced, and not being afraid to think out of the box.

Anyway, just thought I'd share, as everytime I play this game and get stuck, my mind turns to Carlton's list management strategy :razz:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:56 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
is it players with 201 - 250 games?


:lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:19 pm 
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aramari wrote:
That table is pretty useless in terms of meaningful data representation.


:?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:01 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Carlton is the freecell player that jumps on all the obvious moves from the start, getting a few right in a row before running into an unwinnable position they can't escape from (unless they go back to the start). Others (such as Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong etc) go for the less obvious choices at the start, less concerned with making moves happen than they are about getting to the top of those piles, piece by piece. They do this by keeping their deck balanced, and not being afraid to think out of the box.

Anyway, just thought I'd share, as everytime I play this game and get stuck, my mind turns to Carlton's list management strategy :razz:


Carlton doesn't play freecell - we do snakes and ladders instead.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:13 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Carlton is the freecell player that jumps on all the obvious moves from the start, getting a few right in a row before running into an unwinnable position they can't escape from (unless they go back to the start). Others (such as Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong etc) go for the less obvious choices at the start, less concerned with making moves happen than they are about getting to the top of those piles, piece by piece. They do this by keeping their deck balanced, and not being afraid to think out of the box.

Anyway, just thought I'd share, as everytime I play this game and get stuck, my mind turns to Carlton's list management strategy :razz:


Carlton doesn't play freecell - we do snakes and ladders instead.

Well said :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:31 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
List management to me is like a game of freecell (some would say chess, but I can't play that), with players represented as the cards.

Image

Those that play it know that no matter how well you go for patches, unless every move you make is thought-out and all possible outcomes and scenarios are considered, you will inevitably find yourself stuck in a situation where:
- The cards you need are out of reach, or can only be reached if you get or remove another type of card that is out of reach
- You can't get rid of the cards you don't want because others (that you can't get to) need to go first
- You have no room in your spare cells to accommodate the ones you don't need
- You've overcompensated with a certain type of card, thus unbalancing your overall deck and removing cards you could use for trade
etc.

Carlton is the freecell player that jumps on all the obvious moves from the start, getting a few right in a row before running into an unwinnable position they can't escape from (unless they go back to the start). Others (such as Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong etc) go for the less obvious choices at the start, less concerned with making moves happen than they are about getting to the top of those piles, piece by piece. They do this by keeping their deck balanced, and not being afraid to think out of the box.

Anyway, just thought I'd share, as everytime I play this game and get stuck, my mind turns to Carlton's list management strategy :razz:


Yep, great work Don, sounds exactly right but it would make more sense to me if I actually played the game. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:50 pm 
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McKay on Trade Radio -

'Docherty always keen to come to Carlton'

'Expect him in top 22 , half back/wing'

'Interest in Everett, talked to him, he's still deciding us or GWS'

'Everett to play 3rd tall'

'Scotland definitely going around next year'

'Nothing else to come re trades apart from Everett'


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Rexy wrote:
'Nothing else to come re trades apart from Everett'


[/all other trade threads]

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:56 pm 
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yeah all attention now moves to the draft... at this stage 4 picks (?)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:57 pm 
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Glad we decided to be active this trade period. :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:59 pm 
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I'm very happy with additions of Thomas and Docherty for Betts and Hampson :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:04 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
'Nothing else to come re trades apart from Everett'


Well summed up. Pity on this one though - thought we could have been in the ear of KPP (as needed) rather than another 3rd tall. Interesting how Paine has quickly entered the trading arena, well done Brisbane.
Thought we could have been angling for a J.Bruce or any other.
Puts to bed the Tarrant rumours UNLESS.....


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:08 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
I'm very happy with additions of Thomas and Docherty for Betts and Hampson :thumbsup:


I agree with this. In terms of team needs, we are better off now than pre trade period. Shame we couldn't have done more.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:37 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I'm very happy with additions of Thomas and Docherty for Betts and Hampson :thumbsup:


I agree with this. In terms of team needs, we are better off now than pre trade period. Shame we couldn't have done more.


Of course it's not over yet though do get the gist there mightnt be much else


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