Either way, grro, we talk our way out of having much of a presence in it. Self sabotage - that has been Carlton's way. People saying that this has been our best trade period are forgetting the state of our list and the proportion and nature of changes needed. Even after the draft, different people will have a different perspective on how well we have gone.

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True and I think most people acknowledge that. However, given the position we were in when we started the trade / FA period a week or two ago, I think Thomas and (most likely) Docherty so far is a pretty good return. It's impossible to work miracles in trade week, and if you think you have, like us at the end of 2003 and Brissy at the end of 2009, most likely you haven't.

Acknowledging something and executing it are different.
Each time it's high noon in contact talks you'll lose.
We need a club where the players commit to the club first and foremost or out!
Our salary situation is crazy for our lack of achievement.
Actually it's a disgrace... The whole thing is a balls up.
Even losing Eddie. for one hundred a year.
I don't care what anyone thinks he's one of our most important players and most important forward.
Waite ? Pfffffft
Henderson? He's not down there alot.

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This is mostly true.

Given our current list and TPP, adding runners in Daisy & Docherty for Hammer & Eddie is an improvement in the structure, so far.

Yes but if jamo goes down your chf goes back and your most potent forward is gone.

Having said that happy for Eddie.
. did the right thing
Good for him.

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we haven't had a truly potent forward for years

Could have lost hammer kept Eddie and got daisy and the unknown anyway.


much planning


Don't expect ripper stuff at Carlton just a half a step forward when we need to take steps forward to catch up

Onya Eddie !

Bet he would have stayed if the offer was better even if not exactly 500 k

But to gain the premium Eddie had to go. Make space etc.

Full salary cap dadidadida.

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what if..................... Waite only got 2 years instead of 3 ?

what if...............

Pods ruling out Interstate puts us hot favourites. Might explain not going for White. Short fix but better than nothing......if it does happen the way in expecting.
Can't see Mick not addressing KPF possie. Must have something in the pipeline.

Hope we have a target for next year.
Plan.

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Tom Lynch from the Suns should be on the shortlist.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Our salary cap issues are plain for the world to see

We do not bat deep at all with A and B graders

This dysfunctional club we follow are so shit scared of losing whatever talent we have left and therefore pay way way overs to stop the exodus (which would expose their incompetence even more). Good players at CFC and their managers know this and rightfully, are squeezing every drop out of the club.

Look at HFC...How the flower can they have so much room. Becasuse they don't pander. The club is bigger than the individual.

I don't know what we paid Judd this year but I'll bet we could have knocked 100 -200k off it and still kept him.
God knows what we are paying Gibbs and Kruezer for fear of losing them.
Make Gibbs an offer for 2015-. If he doesn't like it, see you later. We need to become prudent with our cap and with sharing the money around. Middle of the road club bursting at the seams with the cap...Flowering amateur
Same with Kruezer.
If Judd can still run around in 2015, $300000 tops
Start searching for a young ruckman to replace Warnock. He aint worth the money he's on and will only ask for more when his contract expires.

And then there's Waite. Could there not have been a more shining example of negligence and incompetence. 3 year big big contract to someone who averages 12 games a year.
Once again, this fear of losing him plays into the manager's hands. A two year contract and we'll revisit it once completed.

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Got to agree with a lot you say there 99prelim and the most important thing you stated is that the club is bigger than the individual. We have to be overpaying some of our players.

I'm with grrofunger...

There are plenty of years you hear the draft is no good and wait until the next year. 2005 was the perfect example. It was meant to be really, really shallow. Thomas only came into the frame late, nobody had heard of Pendlebury until well into the season, and on reflection it was a ripping draft.

In contrast 2006 was meant to be the duck's nuts. It's gone ok in parts, but I reckon in hindsight most judges would have the 2005 draft ahead .

My view is there is talent in each draft and unless you back yourself to find it then you won't. I hope we have a good range of picks in this draft.

Been overpaying since Elliott days, and the common thread now is, who was on the board in Elliott days who is STILL on the board now.

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Been saying for years. One of the most important jobs in a club is recruitment and development. Both of which are very poor. These we do not act upon. We can steel all the players, head coaches all we want, but it will still not make much of a difference.

All our recruiters should al be split and this is the area we need to go and headhunt the best.

As for our Northern Blues coaching role, we have been trusting this role to debutants. We need to take this role more seriously.

That's right... good for Eddie... he sure looked after himself

According to Macca, his manager kept stalling the negotiations which leads one to believe that there was some underlying factor in his decision... maybe Mick was mean to him... didn't hug him or pat him on the back like his predecessor.

You want the club to match the offer when he doesn't want to be here?... but he'll always be a blue at heart eh?... flower him

99 is correct... we need to build a culture of players accepting less because they want to be here... we as a club are a massive failure in this regard.

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We all know that we need changes to the list . Well we are starting to make them .
Some of you need to HTFU . We finished 6th for christs sake . 12 teams finished lower than us .

Our list is not the best ( thanks to Ratten and Hughes ) , but change is happening .

Some of you blokes should f*^% off , and support Richmond , Norf or the Puppies . Then you'd have something to whinge about .

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Get the facts first.
Then you can distort them at your leisure.

Out of interest, was Hughes ever given the money and resources to run an effective recruiting department? Genuine question.

Yes so what's everyone else on?
Muddy for example?
Betts isn't one of our b graders.

You look at the payment structure standard and I fail to see how betts should be paid less than others.

Alternatively you hold a strong culture and responsible payment standards and you don't get this situation.

Look at everything in its perspective it's not about Betts in isolation.

So when carrazzo Judd Waite ate getting their wages for their output why is betts supposed to take less in a take it or leave it offer?

That's your standard.

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