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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:06 pm 
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I went onto the Big Footy Carlton site and this was a post ...:

Trade Yarran and 3rd rounder to MEL for Pick 2. (Roos big advocate of Yaz)Trade 2, 12, Hampson and Laidler to GWS for Patton, Adams and 9. (Patton is gettable if Buddy and Boyd go up there)Trade Lucas and Bootsma to WC for Shuey. (Hard inside mid for two WA boys - Mick and Wiles still favoured in West)Trade 9 to ADEL for Mackay and Henderson. (Two good Vic Lads - ADEL want in first round. Probably getting Eddie too.)2nd to Brisbane for Docherty who we are allegedly into heavily. (Great player who wants to come home. Maybe add a player or two)Cash for Daisy. (maybe for Dusty as well as Richmond are cooling quickly apparently).Magarey Medalist with 4th. (Richmond looking at him) Lambert with 5th. Marcon with 6th. Haretuku from Frankston with 7th. All seasoned and solid players plus 2 we already see at Bullants and 1 big unit prospect.Re-rookie Mitchell and McCarthy plus 1 or 2 that slipped through.In: (11+(1)) Patton (KPF), Adams (inside mid), Shuey (inside/outside mid), MacKay (outside mid), Henderson (HB/HF), Docherty (HB/HF), Daisy (outside mid), (Dustin Martin - (dysfunctional mid)), Matt Thomas (inside mid), Lambert (inside/outside mid), Marcon (inside mid), Haretuku (KPP/Ruck).Out: (12+ delistings) 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th - Yarran, Hampson, Laidler, Lucas, Bootsma. (Maybe Betts too.)


Is this the usual rubbish put on that site. If so ill avoid it from now on


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:16 pm 
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Is Greg Swan still in charge of list management ?

Would anyone know if there's ever been a CEO in charge or list management ?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:18 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Is Greg Swan still in charge of list management ?

Would anyone know if there's ever been a CEO in charge or list management ?


It's a @#$%&! committee and we are not the only club that does it.

His many times does this have to be said?

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 Post subject: Re: Big Footy ...?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:47 pm 
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Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
I went onto the Big Footy Carlton site and this was a post ...:

Trade Yarran and 3rd rounder to MEL for Pick 2. (Roos big advocate of Yaz)Trade 2, 12, Hampson and Laidler to GWS for Patton, Adams and 9. (Patton is gettable if Buddy and Boyd go up there)Trade Lucas and Bootsma to WC for Shuey. (Hard inside mid for two WA boys - Mick and Wiles still favoured in West)Trade 9 to ADEL for Mackay and Henderson. (Two good Vic Lads - ADEL want in first round. Probably getting Eddie too.)2nd to Brisbane for Docherty who we are allegedly into heavily. (Great player who wants to come home. Maybe add a player or two)Cash for Daisy. (maybe for Dusty as well as Richmond are cooling quickly apparently).Magarey Medalist with 4th. (Richmond looking at him) Lambert with 5th. Marcon with 6th. Haretuku from Frankston with 7th. All seasoned and solid players plus 2 we already see at Bullants and 1 big unit prospect.Re-rookie Mitchell and McCarthy plus 1 or 2 that slipped through.In: (11+(1)) Patton (KPF), Adams (inside mid), Shuey (inside/outside mid), MacKay (outside mid), Henderson (HB/HF), Docherty (HB/HF), Daisy (outside mid), (Dustin Martin - (dysfunctional mid)), Matt Thomas (inside mid), Lambert (inside/outside mid), Marcon (inside mid), Haretuku (KPP/Ruck).Out: (12+ delistings) 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th - Yarran, Hampson, Laidler, Lucas, Bootsma. (Maybe Betts too.)


Is this the usual rubbish put on that site. If so ill avoid it from now on



I think you can work out very easily that the above paragraph wasted a minute of our lives. I should have stopped after the first sentence.

Lala land stuff.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:19 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
trublu wrote:
Is Greg Swan still in charge of list management ?

Would anyone know if there's ever been a CEO in charge or list management ?


It's a @#$%&! committee and we are not the only club that does it.

His many times does this have to be said?


Well, the Committee is no good on basis of their track record.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:42 pm 
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WOW wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Hawks' 3 leading scorers from Friday night were brought in from other clubs, while the 4th was playing his first year.

Something to chew on.


The Hawks are the best at cherry picking players from other clubs that fill needs. Firstly they are a club of choice which makes it a lot easier to get players across and it minimises their risk on not having to develop some players who almost guarantee good performance. As we all know draft choices can be highly risky and often don't work out.


Essentially then, besides Thomas, who we look like getting, we need to target Jesse White and Luke Delaney, a key forward and back, during the trade period. All are probably available and ready to get. All three fill needs. Maybe another midfielder too. Essentially MM did this in 2009 to fill needs (Jolley and Ball) and went along way to to winning the flag in 2010.

Then all we need is a healthy degree work ethic, attitude and culture and we're away.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:08 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
There are a lot more factors that become known afterwards plus we need to be able to get the best out of players - this is the area that is clearly within our control to improve.
Most other clubs would have picked similar layers to us in the same position in the draft and some of them picked other players who turned out to be duds ahead of the guns on the list.
I think we have done two things poorly:
1) we have too often picked players based on potential rather than performance/attitude
2) we do not appear to have the culture or development skills to bring out the best of those we do bring into the club


No, we've picked players based on reputation and we seem to make our mind up too early as if surety comforts us.

Most of the time, for every 'athlete first, footballer second' we have drafted (most of them early), we've picked at least as many 'blue collar' types who's games don't translate to AFL level. It's almost as if we think we've played it too fine so it's time to sober up a bit. It probably comes from having too few picks each year, it distorts our outlook.

Most of the time, we seem too scared to look too far beyond the national championships for players, that's why so many players 'slide' to us. So, if anything, it's the opposite of looking for 'potential'. We have picked AA juniors (or ones that almost made it) that other sides didn't seem to rate that highly. It seems the higher the draft pick, the more risks we are willing to take, which is odd; it should be the other way around.

To sum it up, we need to use our 'gut' instead of over rationalising every pick and we need to utilise the draft more.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:21 pm 
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Apart from Judd, the Club cannot attract the experienced gun players any more....

In the past, we could waive the cheque book....

In the present, we cannot offer Premiership success...unlike Hawthorn Geelong and Sydney.

Its been 18 years and nothing what the Club including Sticks Swan and Co can say change can that reality....


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:12 pm 
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Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
We got Mclean. Could have got Fyfe.
painful hindsight



Typical dumb and lazy recruitment

Sticks, Ratts and Hughes have done more damage to this club over the last decade than anyone else.

My blood boils at our 2004-2011 drafting. Apart from rookies and lazy number 1 selections, how many were part of our 22 against the Swans???????

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:14 pm 
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harker wrote:
AGRO wrote:

But those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it. :roll:


...........and those that live in the past will limit their future.


A future filled with repeating the mistakes of the past

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:49 pm 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:

Imagination can often lead us astray. Don't judge someones reasoning based on your own experience or knowledge.

I don't see it as petulance. It's frustration & anger. Football is about emotion, that's what it runs on.

I have met many people from this website who are nothing like what they seem.

This club can be fixed. A lot of us would just like to something positive.


I was involved at a club that made the tough decisions and went through a massive restructure virtually overnight. Everything from that point was a positive. It was one of the great learning experiences of my life.

We need someone at the top that will make those decisions. I hope MM is doing that.


I'm sorry that what one is left with is frustration and anger as I find them also to be useless emotions.

If frustration and anger get you anywhere let's all be more frustrated and much angrier. Doesn't work does it? :)

Only action can give you anything that may just net a useful outcome but that's much harder and a lot less appealing to most...................so back to frustration and anger.

p.s. Not having a shot at anyone but just for the useless rolling maul that frustration and anger breed.


It brought down the Berlin wall
It made a statement in Tiannemen Square
It cleared Versailles of its King

Bottom line is, sometimes, you just have to get angry and frustrated
We've been a basket case off the field for over a decade. We still are. We're run by benefactors, are devoid of innovation, have no strategic plan and poach yesterdays heroes from yesterdays successes
Off with all their heads I say, we've seen enough of Sticks', Hughes' and Swann's incompetence

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:53 pm 
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WOW wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Hawks' 3 leading scorers from Friday night were brought in from other clubs, while the 4th was playing his first year.

Something to chew on.


The Hawks are the best at cherry picking players from other clubs that fill needs. Firstly they are a club of choice which makes it a lot easier to get players across and it minimises their risk on not having to develop some players who almost guarantee good performance. As we all know draft choices can be highly risky and often don't work out.


cherry picking = targeted and discerning recruitment
club of choice = well run

We fail on both fronts

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:11 am 
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trublu wrote:
This could all end up being disastrous for us if you think about it

Just say we lost that game in the last round to port, we could have ended up with Pick 6 in the draft. Instead we move down 6 places in the entire draft...


Good teams don't draft high. They draft well.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:26 am 
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People's Elbow wrote:
trublu wrote:
This could all end up being disastrous for us if you think about it

Just say we lost that game in the last round to port, we could have ended up with Pick 6 in the draft. Instead we move down 6 places in the entire draft...


Good teams don't draft high. They draft well.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:27 am 
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99prelim wrote:
WOW wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Hawks' 3 leading scorers from Friday night were brought in from other clubs, while the 4th was playing his first year.

Something to chew on.


The Hawks are the best at cherry picking players from other clubs that fill needs. Firstly they are a club of choice which makes it a lot easier to get players across and it minimises their risk on not having to develop some players who almost guarantee good performance. As we all know draft choices can be highly risky and often don't work out.


cherry picking = targeted and discerning recruitment
club of choice = well run

We fail on both fronts

Hawthorn are after Longer this trade period. He was a number 7 pick 2 years ago. Hawks wont have a draft pick until around 18 but watch out, they will get the deal done.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:53 am 
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kezza wrote:
99prelim wrote:
WOW wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Hawks' 3 leading scorers from Friday night were brought in from other clubs, while the 4th was playing his first year.

Something to chew on.


The Hawks are the best at cherry picking players from other clubs that fill needs. Firstly they are a club of choice which makes it a lot easier to get players across and it minimises their risk on not having to develop some players who almost guarantee good performance. As we all know draft choices can be highly risky and often don't work out.


cherry picking = targeted and discerning recruitment
club of choice = well run

We fail on both fronts

Hawthorn are after Longer this trade period. He was a number 7 pick 2 years ago. Hawks wont have a draft pick until around 18 but watch out, they will get the deal done.


Will be interesting to watch but, at face value, they do tend to get the job done - such as Gunston, Gibson

Lions are in for a hell of a month as clubs pick over the carcass of their young draftees. Imagine if this was happening at a Melbourne club!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:04 pm 
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kezza wrote:
99prelim wrote:
WOW wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Hawks' 3 leading scorers from Friday night were brought in from other clubs, while the 4th was playing his first year.

Something to chew on.


The Hawks are the best at cherry picking players from other clubs that fill needs. Firstly they are a club of choice which makes it a lot easier to get players across and it minimises their risk on not having to develop some players who almost guarantee good performance. As we all know draft choices can be highly risky and often don't work out.


cherry picking = targeted and discerning recruitment
club of choice = well run

We fail on both fronts

Hawthorn are after Longer this trade period. He was a number 7 pick 2 years ago. Hawks wont have a draft pick until around 18 but watch out, they will get the deal done.


Yep. Success breeds success :|


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:20 pm 
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..hawks have done well lately, but for a long time they had the rep for just dragging things out during trade week..

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:27 pm 
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Nothing wrong with playing hard ball but getting things done.
I am pretty sure other clubs don't fear negotiating trades with us.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:55 pm 
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EG why we should not get daisy(keep the pick fyfe MClean or suban warnock)that is if we get the betts compo pick and what number it is.


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