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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:45 pm 
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How did Waite train Doc Sherrin ? I am still suss on his sore back. It looked pretty bad when he jogged to the bench last week. Came back on but i doubt he was feeling too well after the game.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:52 pm 
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Sydney is a side who unlike Hawthorn, Collingwood and Geelong have never really had to test their depth over the last couple of years.

Last year they had only three real injuries for the year. Rohan the season, Goodes 6 with a calf, and Mumford in and out with a back.

Their best 22 played in the GF, bar Morton for McGlynn.

In 2012 they used just 30 players for the year and this included the likes of Armstrong, Seaby, Morton, Denis-Lane, Walsh and White.

Their best 22 however was fantastic.

History says write of the Wk 1 losers, and talk up the winners at our own peril, and maybe so but our best can do this as long as the belief is there.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:06 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
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I don't know much - well anything, about the two INs.

can anyone tell me what sort of players they are and what we can expect from them?

mcglynn out is good. he's a handy player


Richie was in Happy Days and Ronnie used to like trains.


:lol:

Shane Biggs is a late bloomer and was playing 3rd division Eastern Footy league 3 years ago. He went to first division club Mulgrave and Essendons VFL side Bendigo asked him to have a run.
At the end of the season he was rookie listed by Sydney.

Lots of ability, he played the majority of his junior footy as a 3rd tall/goalsneak. He lacked commitment early and didnt show interest in playing TAC. Mind you, he was pretty small and they didnt show a lot of interest in him.
I'd like to see us have a nibble at him. 187cm, very good overhead for his height and is quite good by foot.
He's developed into a good midfielder with the ability to win both inside and outside ball. Only 22 and has played 1 game although he was emergency several times.

Hopefully he has a quiet one tonight.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:06 pm 
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Sydney are 7-1 at the SCG, but 1-2 at ANZ with the win being against GWS.

MM under Collingwood used to have the wood over Sydney but how relevant is that is to us now is probably drawing a long bow.

Their for/against % for each quarter is also interesting:

Q1, 142%
Q2, 142%
Q3, 140%
Q4, 98%

Could be misleading as there would be games where. they can ease off, but last week their outside run was non-exsistant.

Don't know much about Biggs and Cunningham but was surprised at no Brandon Jack. Perhaps one of the big guys may still drop out.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:09 pm 
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Dean Margetts (6) Brett Rosebury (8) Mathew Nicholls (15) EM: Luke Farmer (4)

Nicholls set to rape us again :mad:


Thankfully no Pannell.



He got dropped along with Farmer :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:12 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
camelboy wrote:
thegezman wrote:
I don't know much - well anything, about the two INs.

can anyone tell me what sort of players they are and what we can expect from them?

mcglynn out is good. he's a handy player


Richie was in Happy Days and Ronnie used to like trains.


:lol:

Hopefully he has a quiet one tonight.


Hopefully he has a big one. Out on the piss

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:24 pm 
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Wouldn't surprise me to see Ellard made sub at the expense of Menzel. The kid is all class however a finals match against a seasoned tough side like Sydney is probably too much for an 18yo. Also Ellard provides suitable backup for McLean if he gets injured (assuming they pick Brock in the first place).
McLean to replace McInnes and Casboult for Kreuzer.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:36 pm 
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With Sydney going so tall can't see them dropping McInnes.

Waite will play forward with Cas; I don't think Hendo will spend much time up forward either.

Mumford/Pyke pushing forward is the worry. McInnes will have to either take one of them or cover White or even Tippet of Jamo goes to them.

As great as Hendo is, he's too slow and small for Tippet.

Walks, Simmo and Scotland will HAVE to kill a few contests for us to keep their talls in check. Hope they've got the balls to back themselves to leave their man.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:07 pm 
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Mumford/Pyke pushing forward is the worry. McInnes will have to either take one of them or cover White or even Tippet of Jamo goes to them.

As great as Hendo is, he's too slow and small for Tippet.



You know that McInnes is 191cm?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:23 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Mumford/Pyke pushing forward is the worry. McInnes will have to either take one of them or cover White or even Tippet of Jamo goes to them.

As great as Hendo is, he's too slow and small for Tippet.



You know that McInnes is 191cm?


I do.

I understand Jamo and Hendo aren't especially tall either. Both are strong and smart to help mitigate these deficiencies. McInnes isn't quite at their level yet.

Against 1 of 3 or 4 guys approaching 200cm tall, McInnes is giving away both a lot of height and strength. His form the last few weeks signals to me that it could be a match-up that is worrying.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:29 pm 
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club29 wrote:
How did Waite train Doc


Very well. Found some form last week...hopefully it continues.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:33 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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How did Waite train Doc


Very well. Found some form last week...hopefully it continues.


Awesome.

You could see him finding touch in the last against Port. Was in everything.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:34 pm 
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I would drop McInnes for McClean and make Duigan play on the 3rd tall in defence.
I know he will be giving away height but McInnes is struggling big time and an extra against midfeilder against Sydney would do no harm.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:34 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
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Just back from training. Brock moved really well, although had repeated animated conversations with Justin Cordy and Doc Baressi. Did some repeat 20 metre sprints along the boundary and showed no discomfort. Kicked the ball well and followed through. He looks right - and after last week - you'd have to trust him on this one. I'd play him.


Based on this I hope they pick Brock.
Sure there must be some doubt over his fitness however his clean hands, clever reading of the play and gut running will be invaluable against Sydney. Providing he pulls up OK from training we should roll the dice and play him.



I remember back in 2010 when we played Sydney up there and we didnt go with Yarran in that game, I thought we missed a bit of "X" factor without Yarran in that game, we only lost by a kick.

Menzel may be just the "X" factor we need to get us over the line, might be time to show a bit of faith in our young ones. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:40 pm 
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The way to beat Sydney is to get them with uncontested possession. Brock has the smarts to get out in space better than anyone plus his ball use is very good.
A "must" selection if he's fit IMHO.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:59 pm 
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If Brock does come into the side, it probably is Menzel that doesn't get a game. Menzel has gun written all over him, but last week, a couple of times just got pushed around a little too easy. In saying that, he is the sort of player that could kick you 2 goals in a quarter.

Dennis and Duigan you'd think would pick up McVeigh and Malceski, so neither of them dropped for Brock. Andy Mac has to play back as the third tall. No-one else would be in the gun.

The problem then is, who to make sub? Scotto would be a real long shot. Has Duigan got enough points from last weekend? Mentally, he would cope with it best but can see him doing a job as per the above. That leaves Yarran, Bell or Brock. X factor over consistency. Not really sure which way to go but if Brock comes in, it would be between him and Belly.

Anyway, tail is wagging. So bloody excited to see the boys again in a final. Will be hitting the Novotel with CK95 about the 5:45pm mark.

Go Blues.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:37 pm 
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Locke wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Locke wrote:
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Mumford/Pyke pushing forward is the worry. McInnes will have to either take one of them or cover White or even Tippet of Jamo goes to them.

As great as Hendo is, he's too slow and small for Tippet.



You know that McInnes is 191cm?


I do.

I understand Jamo and Hendo aren't especially tall either. Both are strong and smart to help mitigate these deficiencies. McInnes isn't quite at their level yet.

Against 1 of 3 or 4 guys approaching 200cm tall, McInnes is giving away both a lot of height and strength. His form the last few weeks signals to me that it could be a match-up that is worrying.


Let them worry about having a tall too many and our blokes running off their talls and setting up going forward.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:47 pm 
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It's going to be wet here tomorrow night, don't get too hung up on their marking talls, think "tits on a bull".. When "rain" is forecast up here, a swamp immediately comes to mind.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:49 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The way to beat Sydney is to get them with uncontested possession. Brock has the smarts to get out in space better than anyone plus his ball use is very good.


Sounds like you have been listening to SEN or reading Inside Football. :roll:

MM will go one one one. Swans have a similar game plan to Freo but slightly less zone and press football.

Contested possessions will be key long with ball use efficiency.

It's about consistency across the field. We need to win the little contested possessions and then some spread later.

One major key will be effectiveness inside our forward 50 and can we lock it in. The other will be winning ball at the stoppages and this is where Warnock will be a bonus. I'd back him in to ruck 80% and beat Mumford and Pyke.

The simple fact is if we can win the midfield and stop easy ball inside their 50 they will struggle. If it gets in quick their talls will cause problems.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:57 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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How did Waite train Doc


Very well. Found some form last week...hopefully it continues.



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