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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:13 am 
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KoRn wrote:
*DRUG CHEATS*
*DRUG CHEATS*
*DRUG CHEATS*
*DRUG CHEATS*

This should be the chant for the whole game.


I can guarantee you that Vlad will have a word in Stephen Gough's ear and tell him to allow it to sing around the ground unimpeded. :grin:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:34 am 
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Boo Watson the most.

Boo everyone when Essendon** touches the footy with one exception ...

Cheer Zacharakis (he may come to Carlton next year)


Please all Carlton supporters, don't lower ourselves to the same level that the Weagles supporters did in Perth, it is not the players fault it is the administration that is at fault, the players believed what they were told don't crucify them.

Barrack for the Blues, don't belittle yourselves or our club by childish booing.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:38 am 
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Disagree blues8182. The leadership group at Essendon* are at fault as much as anyone else.
They went along with everything when they could have voiced their collective opinion, if wanted.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:46 am 
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Disagree blues8182. The leadership group at Essendon** are at fault as much as anyone else.
They went along with everything when they could have voiced their collective opinion, if wanted.


I guess the key word is "if wanted", I am trying very hard to remain as neutral as possible as to me there doesn't seem to be a lot of solid facts anywhere, just a lot of finger pointing going on, if I remember correctly ASADA have already said that there appears to be no culpability on the part of the players, hence the top level have been charged, there has not been one player charged.

Besides I think that the type of booing that has been going on is tacky and puts the people doing it into the sheep category, surely we are better human beings than that.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:38 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Disagree blues8182. The leadership group at Essendon*** are at fault as much as anyone else.
They went along with everything when they could have voiced their collective opinion, if wanted.


I guess the key word is "if wanted", I am trying very hard to remain as neutral as possible as to me there doesn't seem to be a lot of solid facts anywhere, just a lot of finger pointing going on, if I remember correctly ASADA have already said that there appears to be no culpability on the part of the players, hence the top level have been charged, there has not been one player charged.

Besides I think that the type of booing that has been going on is tacky and puts the people doing it into the sheep category, surely we are better human beings than that.


..40+ players in a program that lasted as long as it did, and not a single one went outside the club, that was basically muzzling them and embarking on a program that no-one there had ever been involved with, not even close to.. ..even good ppl can make mistakes, and mistakes can very well carry unfortunate consequences.. ..but this is mistake, after mistake, after mistake etc over months..

..yes we can boo them and perhaps be seen to be crass.. ..but at least everyone knows we dont approve.. ..silence is often complicit, much like the players were silent, and complicit, with the program..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:40 am 
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Not sure how I feel about this game. Will be up in the mountains behind Beijing Saturday afternoon and overnight with no internet which might be a good thing. Hate them with a passion but my vibe on this one is not positive. Our side has been so inconsistent this year so hard to go in with confidence about the outcome. Despite all the nonsense going on at the moment which could be a motivator for them to play well.
Hoping for good news Sunday morning.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:52 am 
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This is the unlosable game. Essendon* are shattered ... we must win. Surely its impossible that we would lose it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:56 am 
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"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

At leat Zahkarakis said no (apparently). In terms of leadership, senior players and leadership group members have a responsibility to the junior members of the group to stand up for them in dealings with management I would have thought. Watson and co potentially should have done more to protect the younger members of the group.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:57 am 
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What effect will the media debacle have on the Scum? Will they be a rabble or will they galvanize with their backs to the wall?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:20 pm 
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What effect will the media debacle have on the Scum? Will they be a rabble or will they galvanize with their backs to the wall?


That is my concern.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:59 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
blues8182 wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Disagree blues8182. The leadership group at Essendon**** are at fault as much as anyone else.
They went along with everything when they could have voiced their collective opinion, if wanted.


I guess the key word is "if wanted", I am trying very hard to remain as neutral as possible as to me there doesn't seem to be a lot of solid facts anywhere, just a lot of finger pointing going on, if I remember correctly ASADA have already said that there appears to be no culpability on the part of the players, hence the top level have been charged, there has not been one player charged.

Besides I think that the type of booing that has been going on is tacky and puts the people doing it into the sheep category, surely we are better human beings than that.


..40+ players in a program that lasted as long as it did, and not a single one went outside the club, that was basically muzzling them and embarking on a program that no-one there had ever been involved with, not even close to.. ..even good ppl can make mistakes, and mistakes can very well carry unfortunate consequences.. ..but this is mistake, after mistake, after mistake etc over months..

..yes we can boo them and perhaps be seen to be crass.. ..but at least everyone knows we dont approve.. ..silence is often complicit, much like the players were silent, and complicit, with the program..


I agree that the leadership group should have done their due diligence, but hindsight is a wonderful thing, no one knows what reasurrances they were given and I find it very hard that the younger kids would even question what was going on as they are trying to cement a place on an AFL list and wouldn't want to rock the boat.

As far as the booing is concerned, I don't want to galvanize them with an us vs the world mentality, I reckon the Weagles booing got Essendon* over the line that night, I wouldn't want to give them that sort of free kick.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:10 pm 
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Paul Little is of the opinion that most of the football community are disgusted with Vlad due to his treatment of Essendon**

People send a message to Essendon** officials though booing Watson (confessed AOD taker)

WC and Collingwood supporters among others have done their duty... now it's our turn

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:27 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
BigKev wrote:
If O'Keefe wants a game, he has to force someone out. You have to send consistent strong messages to the players. Games are not gifted and form is to be rewarded. Graham will play well if he is given the opportunity and he deserves the opportunity.


Whilst I agree about Graham your comments about games being gifted are off the mark. Bootsma & Yarran certainly haven't been given games on form.


I'm not saying that's our methodology, more that's it's the methodology we should employ.
Just because we have gifted games to Bootsma doesn't mean we should make it our standard practice and do it for everyone else.
It's great for Mick to talk about processes and standards but it means jack shit if they're not adhered to or if they're compromised.

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A game not to be missed.
Set up computer at the other end of the house so as not to wake Mrs Sombrero? Check
Set alarm for 0430? Check.
Now to wait for 24 hours so I can have an early night and get ready for the massacre.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:32 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..some folks have short memories.. ..or perhaps selective memories..?.. ..Krooz and Ryder battled well last game, neither beat the other.. ..yes Krooz was stuffed by late last Q, after being a huge influence/presence for the first 3 Q's.. ..not his fault mids stopped running in the last.. ..as for now being too tall, we swapped a 3rd tall for a ruck.. ..it's not like we swapped our best runner for a player that doesnt offer anything.. ..Krooz and Knockers will combo ruck and Hendo and Bolt will combo KPF.. ..one of Hendo/Bolt will often lead up [tall contested marking high HF style], and really will only feel a slight impact on lack of run up fwd when Knockers is resting, and he may be rested half the time via the bench [which he usually does].. ..Waite will be playing def from here on out i reckon..

..i reckon Krooz and either Knockers/Hammer are the best ruck combo we can have, i personally would prefer Hammer and Krooz cos both offer a little something up fwd, but alas hammer be injured.. ..i also think hendo and bolt are our best KPF combo, by a fair margin.. ..both work hard, although bolt is behind in fitness.. ..but fitness will last longer if he plays 1 role, a'la KPF.. ..ruck and kpf is very taxing, and beyond him on a regular basis at the moment.. ..Bolt as back-up ruck struggled last week, 8 hitouts for 0 to adv., yet showed plenty up fwd.. ..MM likes pack busting contested beasts, which hendo and bolt are becoming.. ..it suits his gameplan, and it's predictable for the rest of the team..

..and as for us being too tall, i think we're still shorter than the bombres' selected team..


Been a while since I've felt like commenting on a specific selection.... Kreuzer in.
Hmmmmmmmmm.

SO! Kreuzer and Warnock have played together 3 times this year, and they did not compliment each other, Warnock is our best tap ruckman (granted only a few great ones last week), Kreuzer is our best ruckman overall. Neither are forwards first.

I'm tipping Kreuzer late withdrawal. No need to risk the big fella with Bellchambers out. Let Warnock smash it out for another week against Ryder, and Casboult can support against Danniher. Kreuzer should have no issues next week against the Port Ruckman, Warnock will go out.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:34 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
A game not to be missed.
Set up computer at the other end of the house so as not to wake Mrs Sombrero? Check
Set alarm for 0430? Check.
Now to wait for 24 hours so I can have an early night and get ready for the massacre.


I hope you are right Mr. Sombrero.
I am a tiny bit uneasy.
nothing is a given.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:26 pm 
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2ndeffort wrote:
What effect will the media debacle have on the Scum? Will they be a rabble or will they galvanize with their backs to the wall?

it will galvanize them, for about 20 minutes.

then rabbletastic


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:51 pm 
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MoriBlue wrote:
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..some folks have short memories.. ..or perhaps selective memories..?.. ..Krooz and Ryder battled well last game, neither beat the other.. ..yes Krooz was stuffed by late last Q, after being a huge influence/presence for the first 3 Q's.. ..not his fault mids stopped running in the last.. ..as for now being too tall, we swapped a 3rd tall for a ruck.. ..it's not like we swapped our best runner for a player that doesnt offer anything.. ..Krooz and Knockers will combo ruck and Hendo and Bolt will combo KPF.. ..one of Hendo/Bolt will often lead up [tall contested marking high HF style], and really will only feel a slight impact on lack of run up fwd when Knockers is resting, and he may be rested half the time via the bench [which he usually does].. ..Waite will be playing def from here on out i reckon..

..i reckon Krooz and either Knockers/Hammer are the best ruck combo we can have, i personally would prefer Hammer and Krooz cos both offer a little something up fwd, but alas hammer be injured.. ..i also think hendo and bolt are our best KPF combo, by a fair margin.. ..both work hard, although bolt is behind in fitness.. ..but fitness will last longer if he plays 1 role, a'la KPF.. ..ruck and kpf is very taxing, and beyond him on a regular basis at the moment.. ..Bolt as back-up ruck struggled last week, 8 hitouts for 0 to adv., yet showed plenty up fwd.. ..MM likes pack busting contested beasts, which hendo and bolt are becoming.. ..it suits his gameplan, and it's predictable for the rest of the team..

..and as for us being too tall, i think we're still shorter than the bombres' selected team..


Been a while since I've felt like commenting on a specific selection.... Kreuzer in.
Hmmmmmmmmm.

SO! Kreuzer and Warnock have played together 3 times this year, and they did not compliment each other, Warnock is our best tap ruckman (granted only a few great ones last week), Kreuzer is our best ruckman overall. Neither are forwards first.

I'm tipping Kreuzer late withdrawal. No need to risk the big fella with Bellchambers out. Let Warnock smash it out for another week against Ryder, and Casboult can support against Danniher. Kreuzer should have no issues next week against the Port Ruckman, Warnock will go out.


..knockers struggles to compliment anyone cos he offers so little when not actually rucking.. ..Krooz when played as 2nd ruck'KPF to Knockers showed a bit up fwd, it was just that poor goal kicking slump that saw him kick those behinds, most were not shanks they just missed by a little, but behinds be behinds and we all like goals.. ..but he moved well, opened space for other KPF, and took marks I50 giving himself opportunity to goal, just failed to kick straight.. ..Krooz will get a couple/few shots on goal if played enough %time up fwd.. ..unless krooz isnt fit, he'll be playing.. ..need his urgency and presence thru the middle..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:55 pm 
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Wouldn't have minded seeing O'Keefe get a run, even at Grahams expense.
The way I see it we probably wouldn't lose or gain anything on field.
Graham's a certainty to be around for 2014, but I believe O'Keefe would be playing for his AFL career.

I've never seen O'Keefe play, but a few posters here rate him very highly. He's been cruelled by injury,
but played very well in the twos last week. A few games now would give the chance to save his career.


Where is the logic in that?Graham was in great form consistently in the VFL. You dont bring him in, make him sub and then drop him.
That's not player management. (Mind you, that was our modus operandi earlier in the year)

If O'Keefe wants a game, he has to force someone out. You have to send consistent strong messages to the players. Games are not gifted and form is to be rewarded. Graham will play well if he is given the opportunity and he deserves the opportunity.


I think my logic was pretty clear BV, you just disagree with it.
I have no issue with that.


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