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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:22 am 
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To pissed off to post that's all folks.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:23 am 
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Gibbs is not actually that well skilled. It's a myth.

He has a long way to go, but luckily his reputation precedes him and he's untouchable


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:23 am 
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Simpson is the closest thing we have to a captain
Betts yarran Garlett don't perform against top 4 sides so trade
Warnock yes but kreuzer has to be able to kick goals if warnock is to play. Kreuzer marks above his head never out front. Kreuzer isn't a centre bounce ruck man
Fremantle are the second best side we have played. It was a high standard game for 3 quarters. Our best not good enough.
Next year could be worse. The year where age catches up with us before youth comes through


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:25 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Simpson is the closest thing we have to a captain
Betts yarran Garlett don't perform against top 4 sides so trade
Warnock yes but kreuzer has to be able to kick goals if warnock is to play. Kreuzer marks above his head never out front. Kreuzer isn't a centre bounce ruck man
Fremantle are the second best side we have played. It was a high standard game for 3 quarters. Our best not good enough.
Next year could be worse. The year where age catches up with us before youth comes through


Age can catch up to us???

but but but.. we were told be patient were young....... :screwy:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:27 am 
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Just quickly, for all those people I keep hearing say why won't Mick play menzel and Graham. IMO it's because he is using this season to sift through the list and see who he wants for the future and who to throw away. Menzel and Graham are locks. He knows they are possible 10 year footballers. From what I can see I believe Mick has put the heat to on Yaz to see if he responds, unfortunately he is a snowflake.

Tonight was disappointing but in all honesty thats just where we're at

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:31 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Simpson is the closest thing we have to a captain
Betts yarran Garlett don't perform against top 4 sides so trade
Warnock yes but kreuzer has to be able to kick goals if warnock is to play. Kreuzer marks above his head never out front. Kreuzer isn't a centre bounce ruck man
Fremantle are the second best side we have played. It was a high standard game for 3 quarters. Our best not good enough.
Next year could be worse. The year where age catches up with us before youth comes through


Age can catch up to us???

but but but.. we were told be patient were young....... :screwy:


Yep, and other sides can only keep pace and not actually pass us.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:44 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I was more impressed with Freo than disappointed in us.


Largely agree with this. Was at the game and they were very impressive. Thought we battled away but they broke us in the end. Very well-drilled side.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:22 am 
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Mick hasn't given Bell much of a run, he showed last year he can play, also like to see 2ey in the middle. If weez was chocolates we'd be the soft centre type. Get chewed up all too often, at least these 2 add a little hardness to the mix.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:27 am 
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Also, Freo made our forward line look as congested as Myers on Sale day......while on the flip side they seemed to have the Martian landscape on there's.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:07 am 
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choo wrote:
Gibbs did a fantastic job on Mayne.
All those people bagging Lyon need to smarten up. 31 scoring shots. No Pav no Mcfarlin. No ibottson. All about discipline and structure. And small forwards who like body contact.
The days of blokes who can't kick are well and truly over.
You must be composed.


This.

Everyone in this thread is bagging individuals,
But we lost as a team.
Freo were the better team.

Better structures, more composed, more disciplined, more engaged.

They beat us in hard ball gets
They ran harder both ways
They kicked better
Their handballing and positioning was much quicker and more accurate
They all played their role better
They presented and did the one per centers better
Their gamesmanship was superior

Pro:
-zac
-Simpson
-Scotland
-Kreuzer
-Watson

Con
-the amigos
-Rowe (not for lack of effort)
-Lucas
-Robbo (will never 'get it')
-crowley killing Murphy
-ballantyne the gutless wonder
-fyfe
-armfield (i have expectations of Dennis these days )


Also, I note a lot of people on here praising Gibbs.
Maybe he did a job on Mayne but I thought there were times where he could have exceeded his mandate and dived in for the team and got a result. Could have done more.
Maybe I just have very high expectations of Gibbs.
Is that uunreasonable?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:50 am 
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Blue Revival wrote:
bax wrote:
Mick's such a wonderful coach, has made our better players go backwards, plays duds week in week out and doesn't reward those playing well in the 2's with a game.

Watson?



im kind of with BR on this, have been keeping as close a watch on the 2's as I can, and reading reports.

I'm STUNNED with the complete lack of reward Ive seen by MM not even contemplating certain players who are excelling in the 2's - and Im talking consistent form too!

Im not the biggest duigan fan in the world but hes been consistently in our top 3 or 4 in the 2's for much of the year - playing completely out of position too - from memory he had 13 or 14 marks as an onballer last week, he's played as an influential fwd, all sorts of roles, and played commendably in many games - and hasnt even been named as an EMERGENCY for months.

LAIDLER - well I just dont know what to say about Laids................ Last year I wouldve had him in our top 3 or 4 non on-ball players, this year who would know.
ive definitely read his name in the bests several times earlier in the year (about when MM was playing Bootsmas and McKinneses and CAchias and Curnows etc....)

LEVI was showing some great progress recently, really great, just around the time Waiter went to chalk again, then next minute he gets dropped, Rowe gets in, we beat St Kilda (SO not convincingly) Rowe does quite well (against substandard defence) keeps his spot but then is literally worst on ground Vs Nth and then again Vs Suns (clearly worst on ground) - in the meantime the 2's have a cracking win and Levi is a major factor in the win. But he keeps Rowe in - who was expectedly shit again tonight............

- Why hasnt Kruze been used on the fwd line with Hendo as a two prong tall fwd line with the 3 amigos rotating as crumbers? And bring Warnock (or Hampson) in to do the ruck work. Warnock is looking crappy but he has 2 clear upsides - he gets 94 taps a game and can kick 70 metres consistently and is 7 ft 4 tall, but like most rucks needs to be played and played played played in the 1's til one day it just clicks and all of a sudden we've got a Minson or Jolly or Bellchambers or Maric, who were all CRAP last year or year before but PERSISTANCE at the highest level eventually paid off.

- Hampson showed some glimpses early in the year that were scary good promising (particularly when played at CHF or FF) sure he was dropping a few clunkers but they looked like nervous, inexperienced mistakes rather than inadequacies in his ability. continuing with himin the 1's would eventually eradicate the pressure and self-expectation that was forcing these errors.

- THE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS OF DROPPING & MAKING SUB BETTS/YARRAN - lets see how well that worked out? go watch the replay from tonight, and last week, - THEY WERE USELESS!!!!!!! worst since ive seen them at CFC, yet hold on, werent they just disciplined and had to earn their spots back just weeks ago?????????
um, YES!!!!! well hows that working out for us? or them should I say? - TERRIBLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its 2013 MM, kids dont get the cane at school anymore for wagging, they get modern day relevant punishments designed so they dont repeat those errors in judgement. tailored solutions. seems youre using 1950's generics!

- anyway flower this......im FUUUUUURIous after tonight...............unless we win every game from here on in Ill be petitioning to have a re-assesment of MM's appointment to be done over the off season - and the players MUST be very much involved, and their feedback is vital.
im very scared there's a generation gap (or two) that Sticks & Co didnt factor in as being a hurdle to modern day premierships.

I mean all u have to do is look at Clarkson, Scott, Hird, Thompson, Voss, McKenna, Worsfold - firstly theyre all at least 30 years younger than MM, which means theyre much closer to the mentality and and have played a much more similar variety of football in their careers than old drop-kick it in the mud in between torpedoes and punch ons and the stagnancy of yesteryears game.
its not rocket science (although ironically it also kind of is) but dont get a super renowned rocket scientist who worked brilliantly on the Apollo in the early 70's to work on the space labs of 2015 because although it' still essentially the same job and same game - its also NOTHING LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!

im sick of the words 'rebuild' and 'list potential' etc........... FFS in 2011 and for most part of 2012 the bombers were so average and their players looked accordingly so - they looked run of the mill at best - then 12 months later theyre sitting pretty in 2nd position.

WCE list and position and momentum had many experts (incl. me) putting them in the top 4 this year, if not top 2 - well look at them now!

Swans team on paper last year did not look like a premiership side and actually still doesnt when you look at it again.......................

Again this year, theyre not, but by gosh will they go close. Pretty sure longmire was put in place half expected to orchestrate some form of re-build at Sydney after Roos left - he won the flag straight away.

im so freaking lost at the moment when it comes to Carlton.............
I dont know if we're going to come last next year, or maybe win flag?

Honestly wouldnt have a clue?

I cant see us getting better by cleaning out 6-7-8 or 9 players - the replacement stocks are pretty much in the hands of the newcomers already.
and who's MM ever recycled whos gone on to become a 6-7 year star? its not his way, clarkson did it quite well, he even managed to get a flag by just a little rejigging, and having had the bloke for a P.E teacher for 4 years I know he's as deep thinking and strategic as circus monkey, but Ill give him one thing - he understands MODERN football, and has a rapport with YOUNGER players that MM may have had once in 1923.

what er we going to do???????????


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:00 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I was more impressed with Freo than disappointed in us.


I agree. They were methodical. All night you could see there was going to be a moment when we cracked.
They show emotion but they don't ride emotion. Its like the emotion they show and how they show it is written into their code.
Every thing they do defensively seems scripted. Its like the only way you can get through them is with a bit of luck or if one of them gets knocked off the x on the ground that marks the spot they should be at any given second. They choked us.

From there its all up to their execution with the ball which last night was above average and enough to beat most.

Lyon is like a mad football genius.

The MCG is their biggest enemy.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:00 am 
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Dumb football! That's our game plan.

It took an Irishman to work it out and realize you break the press by kicking over it from 50.

What was with all the mangled short passes in the congested forward line when players could have had a shot instead?

Three amigos were useless with Yarran looking not that interested. They blanketed Henderson too and so no forward line.

Robinson has heaps of endeavor, but lacks the skill - time for a rest.

Murphy was non-existent, so where was someone to give Crowley a touch up? As for that other little cauliflower Ballantyne, we were completely sucked in. And that's the ball game!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:11 am 
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We have a go at the side for not flying the flag for Murphy... and that is a valid point.

But when the hell is Murphy going to fly the flag for himself?????


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:38 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I was more impressed with Freo than disappointed in us.

Yeah they're my new 2nd favourite team nowadays. And truth be told, the gap between first and 2nd is closing.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:41 am 
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Our midfield for so long out strength is a glaring weakness

We have no A grade mids on form


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:42 am 
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HTP wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I was more impressed with Freo than disappointed in us.

Yeah they're my new 2nd favourite team nowadays. And truth be told, the gap between first and 2nd is closing.

Tigers beat them comfortably


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:43 am 
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Synbad wrote:
We shouldnt have a captain.
We should be the first team ever to not have a captain.
Tossing the coin should be a lottery and a member should be drawn from a barrel before every game and that member should call the toss.

That way... the opposition cant target our captain... and make him go into his shell...


.....or we make sure we don't make a school girl our captain. Murphy is a girl to teams target him because he melts

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:43 am 
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Effes wrote:
One of the big reasons the midfield got smashed was because Warnock didn't play.

Kreuzer and Rowe against Sandilands and Clarke.

Dominated the midfield last week against a midget ruck....this week the ruck battle was decisive.

Kreuzer smashed GC last week....this week against two giants he struggled and then you had Rowe in there.

Kreuzer really struggles at centre bounces against the giant rucks.

No, the reason is that they are a defensive midfield that has a shit set up.

They are there primarily to stop the opposition from winning the ball and not attack themselves.

If we had attacking mids consistently in the middle we would at least get closer to extracting the ball with some meaning half the time.
The midfield set ups are and have been a shambles all year and it doesn't stand up against the better teams.
Our rucking will not always win the tap out that is where a good midfielder shows his worth.
When we are allowed to attack the ball we look extremely potent.
This is why Betts, Garlett always seem to do well with the limited time they have in the middle, they just hunt the ball and know where to go to receive a hand ball.
They are always on the move and are looking to break the lines.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:44 am 
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Molly wrote:
We have a go at the side for not flying the flag for Murphy... and that is a valid point.

But when the hell is Murphy going to fly the flag for himself?????



This

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