Score a point?

Stop re-writing history and I'll stop pointing out you're wrong.

Speaking of boring and tiresome...mentioning the Judd trade or Jordan Murdoch every chance you get....?

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Supporters fatalism towards the Judd trade is tiresome and boring. So is the same attitude displayed toward any/every trade the club has done since the draft came in to being. If we think the list is not nearly as strong as it should be then any argument as to why that might be should be fair game.

Protectionism is hardly better than denial in my opinion.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Love Eddie but fact is we have a surplus in his position and young Bucks could well be another FP one day

Club needs to get smarter with list management and recruiting

Right now we have too many slowish, tough but unskilled tagging mids and one too many FPs

And we have too few big bodied quality mids and too few quality KPPs

Doesn't take a genius to figure out what we need to do

Forget the Judd thing

What's done is done

Don't look in the rear vision mirror else ...

The Judd/Kennedy trade was a win/win. WCE will yield a longer benefit from it, but as a club we needed a Judd to arrive and help instil professionalism into the playing group as well breath life into a club who had been down and out for over half a decade - a flag was just going to be a bonus whilst he was here.

We need to focus on the here and now and what we can control. It's what we do with trading and drafting and looking at the game plan and the types we need that support the game plan MM has for us.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Spot on.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Spot on, i will never understand how anybody could ever suggest the Judd acquisition wasn't anything but good for this club. He brought a level of professionalism and leadership to the playing group which had been sadly lacking for a long time.

..no it doesn't.. ..more miles into the legs of the 3 amigo's.. ..jeffy and yazz most definitely can be playing a high hf/wing role moving ahead, and yazz especially with a bigger engine should move into the middle, even if just part of the 2nd string.. .... ..for one reason or another betts doesnt seem to have a big enough engine, but in bursts in the middle he can help as well.. .... ..i think we've got plenty on our list to move on, ahead of those with actual talent..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Brad I have never tried to re-write history as you constantly an boringly always seem to assert.

I have never said that we lost out on the Judd trade nor have I ever said we shouldn't have done it.

All I have ever said is that we overpaid on the deal, you may not agree and frankly I dont give a tuppeny flower if you do or dont.

There are many people on this board whose opinion I value, you are not one of those.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

What we don't need at the draft is any more HBF's or small Forwards or Ruckmen.

I will be interesting to see whether we stuff things up again.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Probably MMs fault.

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dane's trolling again

Kennedy's impact on WCE has been nowhere near the impact Judd has had on Carlton

If WCE had the chance to retain Judd at the time instead of proceeding with the trade, they would have taken it in a heartbeat (even in hindsight)

Kennedy is a good player but too many overrate him on this site

No it's not, it's about learning from our mistakes and making sure we don't make them again. What suits Mick's game plan and what is ultimately good enough to get the job done are not necessarily mutually inclusive.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

You think I care if you value my opinion?

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Super duper post Dane-o

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Do you think I care if you're even breathing?

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Do I detect a mod and a punter throwing personal barbs around?

Tsk Tsk.

No offence to Barb of course.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Today's game clearly demonstrates why we need to try to draft a key forward with our first pick.

Like a lot of weeks, dominated inside 50s but couldn't capitalize on it.

Poor conversion was one part of today's game, but don't neglect to look at our inability to dominate the air up forward.

Henderson is good on the lead however we need someone to partner him.

At the moment the club does not have anyone capable of partnering Henderson.

A key forward must be a priority with the first pick.

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