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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:54 pm 
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Malthouse: "I can categorically tell you that Gibbs and Kreuzer are untouchable. UNTOUCHABLE."


..love the tweet, love it even more when i imagine him saying that out loud, seinfeld style..

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:59 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Only way Lucas is going anywhere is if he wants to leave. Mick wont be letting him go anytime soon.


MM thinks he can turn Lucas into another Dale Thomas (sans the accurate kicking).
I reckon he may almost get there...I said almost!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:59 pm 
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I imagine Mick as Toota.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:01 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
Rexy wrote:
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Malthouse: "I can categorically tell you that Gibbs and Kreuzer are untouchable. UNTOUCHABLE."


opening bid for pick one

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:02 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
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trublu wrote:
Ok Einstein..... Why isn't he playing very capable players like Duigan and Laidler in defence then? Hampson has not played a game since round 5 or so.

He knows playing these guys will plug a few holes and possibly win a few ore games and make us look better than we really are...... That then continues down the same path under Brett Ratten and the we are so close to a flag bull dust continues on.

Mick wants to rebuild this list.


I've never read anything more bizarre on this forum...

Two words: j.scarponi!!


I thought it was js.craponli

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:12 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
It may sound bizarre to some of you but there's a certain logic to it. I don't know about Duigan with a lowish pick but the likes of Laidler and Rowe were never going to be the types to win us a premiership. I don't believe in scrapping for every win and taking every season as it comes, leave that to North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs.



He stated Malthouse was playing to lose, to lower the expectation of supporters.
That way the supporters would not be so upset when players were traded.
There's not only a lack of logic, but a lack of any sense of reality.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:15 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
It may sound bizarre to some of you but there's a certain logic to it. I don't know about Duigan with a lowish pick but the likes of Laidler and Rowe were never going to be the types to win us a premiership. I don't believe in scrapping for every win and taking every season as it comes, leave that to North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs.



He stated Malthouse was playing to lose, to lower the expectation of supporters.
That way the supporters would not be so upset when players were traded.
There's not only a lack of logic, but a lack of any sense of reality.




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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:46 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
It may sound bizarre to some of you but there's a certain logic to it. I don't know about Duigan with a lowish pick but the likes of Laidler and Rowe were never going to be the types to win us a premiership. I don't believe in scrapping for every win and taking every season as it comes, leave that to North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs.



He stated Malthouse was playing to lose, to lower the expectation of supporters.
That way the supporters would not be so upset when players were traded.
There's not only a lack of logic, but a lack of any sense of reality.


I don't think he's deliberately playing to lose but it is all about "the process", apparently - stuff the supporters!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:39 pm 
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/i ... 2pvq3.html

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:44 pm 
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Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/identifying-carltons-no1-problem-20130712-2pvq3.html

Sums up things pretty well.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:22 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
trublu wrote:
Planning for a rebuild of the list has been in action for some time.

Some home truths were told by Mick to the board. They are buying in.

Let me ask you this.... Do any of you really think we have the talent to win a flag in the next year or two?

I don't.

So if we finished I the eight and play a final or two. Come the end of the season whe players like Yarran and Betts might be thrown up as trade bait, how would supporters react to that?

They be tearing down Visy park because they think we should top up seeing we made finals.

Where as a rebuild and the idea of trading a star or two is a easier sell to supporters if expectations have been lowered.



Great logic.
Plan to finish lower so our players have ZERO currency come seasons end.
Give it up mate. You've already embarrassed yourself with your "inside mail" about Mick intentionally losing games.
You're just digging the hole deeper.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:24 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
trublu wrote:
Planning for a rebuild of the list has been in action for some time.

Some home truths were told by Mick to the board. They are buying in.

Let me ask you this.... Do any of you really think we have the talent to win a flag in the next year or two?

I don't.

So if we finished I the eight and play a final or two. Come the end of the season whe players like Yarran and Betts might be thrown up as trade bait, how would supporters react to that?

They be tearing down Visy park because they think we should top up seeing we made finals.

Where as a rebuild and the idea of trading a star or two is a easier sell to supporters if expectations have been lowered.


Worst inside mail ever.

Clearly he's not re-building the list, he just doesn't rate Laidler and Duigan. If he was genuinely rebuilding he'd have Menzel, Graham, McCarthy, Temay in the side this week. Instead the master coach has picked a side full of injured blokes, hoping that they can squeeze out a win and keep us in touching distance of the eight.


Mick won't throw these kids to the wolves without a proper football education and a tone of development. You don't play kids if they are not ready yet.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:30 pm 
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You got to understand how mick operates. He will identify his 8 or so players that embrace his game plan, game style and they will become leaders of this group and will drive this club to success.

Mick now will develop what he calls is the support cast, the players who come in and play roles.

He knows the exact players he is looking for to play this role.

He will also try bring in some tall to fill In the missing gaps.

Those who think we are rudderless you have no idea.

We have a man with a plan.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:34 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/identifying-carltons-no1-problem-20130712-2pvq3.html

Sums up things pretty well.


I generally don't like Lyon, and I think he hates Carlton, but this article is spot on.
I hope the players see it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:59 am 
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There isn't too much to disagree with there from Lyon.

For more searching analysis, he should look at the failure rate of our 2nd and 3rd round picks and how our development has left much to be desired.

Warnock - for pick 22, had a few injuries but hasn't given us enough.
Grigg - cracked it and now at Richmond.
Russell - 1st round pick 9 in 2004, delisted and now at Collingwood.
Hartlett - hamstrung (literally).

And these are just 4...

Add into it that we haven't drafted many players with leadership qualities and/or a willingness to be rough and physical and no wonder we're in the position that we're in.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:40 am 
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We were burnt with the likes of fev. Too much of an extroverted handful so the club recruited kids who were nice. Now we have a bunch of soft introverts.

Like everything in life, we need a bit of everything in balanced moderation. We simply don,t have that at Carlton..

We need the right balance of smells, mediums and talls.
We need the right balance of introverts and extroverts
We need the right balance of experience and youth.
Of defence and attack.
Of hardness and skill.
Of speed and endurance.

Our list is imbalanced quite badly in all those areas, and more so than any club except GWS and Melbourne.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:11 am 
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Effes wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/identifying-carltons-no1-problem-20130712-2pvq3.html


This is a good article from Lyon that sums up Carlton's situation accurately.

Gibbs needs to be given some lee-way though as has been placed as a half-back flanker for most of his career.

If Walker can get an All-Australian/top 3 in the B&F you could almost give him a pass mark as well. Almost.


Lyon's comparison of Kreuzer with Melbourne's Jack Fitzpatrick was damning. The stats for Kreuzer were 12, 3 & 8. 12- Average for Kreuzer of 12 possessions, best return 3 goals and 8 marks. Fitzpatrick has already kicked 4 and had 8 marks. Ouch.

Corey McKernan (a champion of the game no doubt but at the end of his career when at Carlton) his stats are far better than Kreuzer's..but at least Kreuzer's stats are better than Mark Porter's and Barnaby French's.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:33 am 
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bluechucky wrote:
We need the right balance of smells, mediums and talls.


So you're advocating they clear out the forward line Chucky?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:43 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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We need the right balance of smells, mediums and talls.


So you're advocating they clear out the forward line Chucky?

:oops:

Well it certainly stinks at the moment.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:57 am 
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bluechucky wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
bluechucky wrote:
We need the right balance of smells, mediums and talls.


So you're advocating they clear out the forward line Chucky?

:oops:

Well it certainly stinks at the moment.


You might be onto something. Pagan's Paddock, Clarkson's Cluster, Mick's Barking Spiders...


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