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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:39 am 
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I'm beginning to think he took on the job for the wrong reasons. Just to get back at fat head Ed. Seeing him losing his shit in the box at times, looking older and more frail by the minute. I have doubts he's got the patience or youthful exuberance to rebuild another list.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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It's paganite03 with a new suit.




So they finally got the internet in the USA?!


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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get Ling

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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bluegirl72 wrote:
get Ling


Only if he brings BT and Darcy with him.

Oh the fun we would have! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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GWS wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
get Ling


Only if he brings BT and Darcy with him.

Oh the fun we would have! :lol:


training would be hilarious.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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GWS wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
get Ling


Only if he brings BT and Darcy with him.

Oh the fun we would have! :lol:

Wowee big boy that would be awesome


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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muzza wrote:
GWS wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
get Ling


Only if he brings BT and Darcy with him.

Oh the fun we would have! :lol:

Wowee big boy that would be awesome

Oh, and no booing allowed


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:52 pm 
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My biggest concern with Malthouse is what was his motivation for taking the job
I think he was hurting from his sacking from the Pies - I think he took the job just to spite those who sacked him
I don't think he came here with a plan to move this club forward
I think his appointment was all about Malthouse and not about Carlton
did he want to take us to the next level or did he take the job just to prove he can coach
I suspected he thought that Carlton was in good shape and injuries brought us down last year and it would be easy to take this group of players up the ladder .
He has changed to much the way they play - possession of the ball is king in football and we give it up to easily

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:39 am 
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I AM MALTHOUSE AND I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:50 am 
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Am I on the carlton website or the Richmonds , I cant believe the crap that is coming out,we are NOT A GOOD TEAM they are the facts we have conned everybody to believe we are .
Our bottom 6 wouldnt get a game at most league clubs, and finally we have a coach who realises that.Lets see what happens next year ,is malthouse responsible for our recruiting , No blame Hughes .Look at our ressies we have so many senior players in the team that played Dons and they are hopeless. Carltons main problem is our skilful guys are not tough enough and our tough guys lack skill .There are exceptions Judd Murphy etc


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:10 am 
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Am I on the carlton website or the Richmonds , I cant believe the crap that is coming out,we are NOT A GOOD TEAM they are the facts we have conned everybody to believe we are .
Our bottom 6 wouldnt get a game at most league clubs, and finally we have a coach who realises that.Lets see what happens next year ,is malthouse responsible for our recruiting , No blame Hughes .Look at our ressies we have so many senior players in the team that played Dons and they are hopeless. Carltons main problem is our skilful guys are not tough enough and our tough guys lack skill .There are exceptions Judd Murphy etc


It is a bit Richmond like. About the time when they took on Walls.

Mick has got us playing some terrible football. No denying it. Blind freddy could have told him our list had problems. The problems we see now are not new. Big changes to it should have been made last pre season. A new mix should have been created but I reckon Micks ego got the better of him. Wasted year.

Big trades this pre season.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:21 am 
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club29 wrote:
hotspur wrote:
Am I on the carlton website or the Richmonds , I cant believe the crap that is coming out,we are NOT A GOOD TEAM they are the facts we have conned everybody to believe we are .
Our bottom 6 wouldnt get a game at most league clubs, and finally we have a coach who realises that.Lets see what happens next year ,is malthouse responsible for our recruiting , No blame Hughes .Look at our ressies we have so many senior players in the team that played Dons and they are hopeless. Carltons main problem is our skilful guys are not tough enough and our tough guys lack skill .There are exceptions Judd Murphy etc


It is a bit Richmond like. About the time when they took on Walls.

Mick has got us playing some terrible football. No denying it. Blind freddy could have told him our list had problems. The problems we see now are not new. Big changes to it should have been made last pre season. A new mix should have been created but I reckon Micks ego got the better of him. Wasted year.

Big trades this pre season.


That was always his plan so he can look like a legend.
Club how many fringe and new players can be drafted to slot in our team and make us top four compared to what we have now?
He will bring in a couple of big names and then do what he should have done this year..........coach the players we have now for success and wins.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:07 am 
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hotspur wrote:
Am I on the carlton website or the Richmonds , I cant believe the crap that is coming out,we are NOT A GOOD TEAM they are the facts we have conned everybody to believe we are .


How do you "con" your way to 4 finals series in a row with a young team?

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:23 am 
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redback wrote:
club29 wrote:
hotspur wrote:
Am I on the carlton website or the Richmonds , I cant believe the crap that is coming out,we are NOT A GOOD TEAM they are the facts we have conned everybody to believe we are .
Our bottom 6 wouldnt get a game at most league clubs, and finally we have a coach who realises that.Lets see what happens next year ,is malthouse responsible for our recruiting , No blame Hughes .Look at our ressies we have so many senior players in the team that played Dons and they are hopeless. Carltons main problem is our skilful guys are not tough enough and our tough guys lack skill .There are exceptions Judd Murphy etc


It is a bit Richmond like. About the time when they took on Walls.

Mick has got us playing some terrible football. No denying it. Blind freddy could have told him our list had problems. The problems we see now are not new. Big changes to it should have been made last pre season. A new mix should have been created but I reckon Micks ego got the better of him. Wasted year.

Big trades this pre season.


That was always his plan so he can look like a legend.
Club how many fringe and new players can be drafted to slot in our team and make us top four compared to what we have now?
He will bring in a couple of big names and then do what he should have done this year..........coach the players we have now for success and wins.


My thinking is that we have talent on our list but the list is unbalanced and is flaky and frail. It has been for a while. Even when Ratts was getting us in finals.
Noone wanted to admit it and instead blamed on Ratts' tactics , his ears, his lollies and stats in pressers. Anyone mentioned the players being at fault would get shot down. " Mick will get the best out of them " is all we heard. The problems remain. Still flaky. List still unbalanced.

Changing the mix last preseason would have been a start. Not talking about fringe players either. Im talking about swaping our a 7/10 player for another 7/10 player with a different skillset and mindset. A new mix. Instead Micks ego got the better of him. Sat on his hands, sold books and waffled on about stars aligning. He will make the changes this year. Wasted 12 months. We have gone backwards.

I know you and BV are coming at Mick from a different angle and i agree with what you are saying. If Ratts could get these players to finals why cant the super coach. I am taking more of a view of why he didnt do anything last pre season to fix the problems that were stopping us from taking the next leap.

All that and i dont like the guy. :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:40 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
hotspur wrote:
Am I on the carlton website or the Richmonds , I cant believe the crap that is coming out,we are NOT A GOOD TEAM they are the facts we have conned everybody to believe we are .


How do you "con" your way to 4 finals series in a row with a young team?

Chris Judd!!!

Not a young team anymore BV... its actually really not!!!
ten years ago 4 good mids would win you a flag.... 5 years ago that wasnt enough... today you need numerous mids running through.. the game has changed and C Judd is a shadow of his former self..

Stack our midfield up against any team in the finals...
And look at how many can

Spread
Defensive run back and tackle hard
ball gather
kick goals...and deliver...

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
hotspur wrote:
Am I on the carlton website or the Richmonds , I cant believe the crap that is coming out,we are NOT A GOOD TEAM they are the facts we have conned everybody to believe we are .


How do you "con" your way to 4 finals series in a row with a young team?

Chris Judd!!!

Not a young team anymore BV... its actually really not!!!
ten years ago 4 good mids would win you a flag.... 5 years ago that wasnt enough... today you need numerous mids running through.. the game has changed and C Judd is a shadow of his former self..

Stack our midfield up against any team in the finals...
And look at how many can

Spread
Defensive run back and tackle hard
ball gather
kick goals...and deliver...


I dont buy that,
You cant win 15 games off the back of one player.
Gold Coast have the best midfielder of the past 5 years playing for them and they won 3 games in his first year there.
Ryan Griffin is currently an absolute gun midfielder but the Bulldogs are shitfull.

We played finals because we were good enough. For people to suggest a team can "con" its way into 4 consecutive finals campaign is nonsense.
Perhaps we have declined, perhaps we're not playing to our strengths but whatever the case, we were a comparatively superior team 2 years ago. Thats not off the back of one player.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:00 pm 
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Absolutely no doubt Judds brilliance carried the side during Ratts era - take him out and...well we know deep down don't we

What we needed last year was for the draftees of '07 '08 '09 '10 to develop and they haven't


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:14 pm 
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BV... in the early 2002 we were carried by Kouta
we won a spoon and blamed that on bad luck and injuries.But realy it was Kouta charged.
We sacked Brittain brought in Pagan and realised list management was horrible.
Fast forward a decade.... we think were doing ok but we are doing it on Kouta.. as his decline starts.. the tag goes down the line to Murphy etc...we underperform and think that was injury based ... sack coach (mind you he and Parkin have alot to answer for list wise...).. and suddenly realise our list and list manageent is sub par.

Seems to me we are falling for the same mistaed a decade later!!!..overestimating a list.. and bringing in great white hope for the boards cover...
Our club does not do whats needed to be done to protect itself from mediocrity!!
And so we need a review of all of our practices... !!!

Anyone doubt that???

Were in a spin cycle.... and we cant break free!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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Rexy wrote:
Absolutely no doubt Judds brilliance carried the side during Ratts era - take him out and...well we know deep down don't we

What we needed last year was for the draftees of '07 '08 '09 '10 to develop and they haven't


We needed them to be good enough, in other words, and we probably needed a few more of them. :cool:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:32 pm 
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Amazing how Ratten got blasted on here for only having one game plan while Malthouse is still defended.

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