Apparently a bloke named Switkowski does a good independent review.

Well he does a review - but let's not get too carried away with the independent bit.

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So does Gonski. Which is what will happen to a few over the summer.

Seems to me there's a lot of unsubstaniated stuff being peddled as gospel. Personally don't see any evidence of trading last years #1 pick(s) for next years!

Ffs, one good draft pick does not make a team. You need 18 players on the field as far as I can tell. So, focussing on one or two picks is not enough, we need to get the whole team right. Gazza has been fantastic for the Suns, but they are not finals material. The team he left is still right up there and I suggest going to be there in Sept.

To me it's more about whole of team culture, making the most of wha you have and creating an environment where mid-level players can collectively achieve more than the sum of the parts. But everyone needs to be on the same page, something which to me is still lacking. MM has improved things, but we need more.

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With respect, don't think Switkowski or Gonski know anything about how a football club should run to achieve sustainable greatness

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The fact that we turn good players into crap does not negate the need to get them here in the first place. Nor does your point factor in the worth of the decisions in isolation. If we are to seriously rebuild then we may have to cut our losses.

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Pretty sure sarcasm is the order of the day here.

Yes, but we have quite a few players who are good and should be achieving more that they are at present. I don't support tossing them out with the bathwater. Doesn't need the wholesale changes that some think necessary. Culture yes.

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What about Faulkner, Carr and Bracks?

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I hear Don Argus is twiddling his thumbs......

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I could use the same idiom for both Synbad's and your logic and it would probably be closer to its real meaning. The point is, it's probably too late for those players at Carlton and they don't have the help that they need from the rest of the group. Trading for someone like Boyd would come with a new approach and strategy, not as a replacement for it.

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No i never said ratten was ruining the club.
I slays said sticks and ratten were ruining three club.... Look

How does mm ruin the club?
He was appointed by sticks and the board to save then?
Just as Danks is not himself responsible at Essendon* ......

The fact malthouse must change things isn't about mm..... We have been destroying early picks by poor recruiting or development before he got here.
I want that to stop. But we must understand why we have......
What is it about this clubs mediocrity which destroys lists?

Understand or not?

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Some good points being made although we must be aware, Malthouse wont welcome a review of the football department. At Collingwood, he refused to participate in any reviews of his position and he expects free reign of the Carlton football department as well.
That being said, an independent review is pointless if the football department is not being fuly assessed and reviewed as well.

Change may be suggested that a lot of people wont like. Remember the Geelong review suggested Thompson have some of his duties and responsibilities removed. Lots of noses may be put out of joint, not just the boards.
If we ask for a full review, we have to see it through completely. All aspects of the club.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

We do have to see it through... and it must include every aspect.. every individual of the footy club.

noone should be imune from being audited.....

i doubt wwe will want one.

you need to be honest to want one.

are we an honest club???.... We are carlton!!... or carton!!

its why we arent going forward.... were not honest with ourseves... from top to bottom... but we do expect the players to be honest...

we have no leadership around the club but we expect the team to have leadership....

The club is that dishonest and fearful lacking leadership it wont want a full independent reviews done from top to bottom.

But they do waht our money!!!.... actually they dont want that anymore.. they will ust buy the memberships themselves....


frightening scenario


The club is run by a bunch of cowards... afraid of the light.. happy to do whatever they do in the deep shadows of their own darkness.

It just isnt the bold carlton footy club anymore is it??

thanks Sticks!!!

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bring back jezza

TRADE STICKS!

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Well said BV. My point being a review of the club will not help our football department.
The reason some are calling for such, has nothing to do with our on field struggles.
We now need to support and stick together. We cannot keep doing what we keep doing and that is change!

Ill say it again, we created this culture through tanking, trading (Kennedy) and eating our own.
We made a decision to bring in a premiership coach to win us a flag and the first thing we did is make excuses of why we cannot win a flag! Culture continuous! We should be developing our top picks and moulliding our top picks to make them win a flag, not look at trading them away for more top picks, Culture!

The last thing we need is another board change to go with our on field disaster!

for that port guy...

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