We're F%$&kd!

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You'd have to ask Gene Simmons.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

I find it ironic that majority of the guys on here wanting a review also wanted malthouse. Now we have proven that we can barely beat a top 8 team this season with a healthier list, so now we need a review. All sticks and the boards fault for the on field performances. Last time l checked the players are healthy and have state of art facilities so no real reason apart from the spud gameplan. Gotta be the boards fault for malthouse hey

haha we can.....

id like to know as a club we can collectively bring some accountabiliity to the club that has had no accountability.

sticks wants another year... ceo says a big purge is going to be made....etc etc etc

the club needs a landing at some point.. something to bring it to some kind of accountability...
we have a voice if we choose to exercise it... or do you thin we should keep quiet for the benefit of 'stability'?

im throwing this out there to see what people actually think.

seems like people are not interested in an independent assemement of this footy club...

that would make some people very happy.. the fact your grass roots supporter doesnt care if the club is independently assessed or not...and there is alot of underlying support in how the club has been run and its policies in recent years.

not too sure why people cant discuss it seriously...either way

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so u dont want a review is that it??

ok.. fine...youre a supporter of the current status quo.. they say the internet records forever.. youre etched as a voice of approval of the current status quo for all time.. so be it...

thats fine.. thats what were here to find out now.

the question was not about who supports anything outside of an independent review of this footy club youve made yourself known loud and clear...and there is nothing wrong with you being against this club being indepenently assessed. yure welcome to have any opinion you like.

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whats your opinion on a review???

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I lost my post above...oops.

I was saying if we dont know where weve come from and we dont know where we're at we certainly cant plan for the future successfully.
We need to make sure we know what we are doing because it is obvious we havent for the last decade.

Kernahan regime reminds me of the autonomous dictatorship of the Elliot years.
We have [REDACTED] up our list. Development issues. Other clubs turn their destiny around in a season.
We need change and we need direction.

You're whipping up a stir here Synbad, and if its an exercise to see how many agree with you even if you dont mean it...for your thesis...there's no doubt we need some integrity, democracy and our clubs destiny in the right hands.

Only an independent body can tell me that.

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Bondi.. i can only take a thirsty horse to water.. i cannot make it drink the water...

People can bang their heads up against the wall as much as they like about whats going on... but when it comes to demanding answers.. not many are interested by the sounds of things.

Everything we have been discussing and stumps us would come up in an independent review of this footy cub... but most people seem to be oblivious to it and ignore it.

Plato believed you deserve the leaders you have...

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Maybe bluehammer thinks that will be the executive summary of the review.

I see no harm in an independent review.

I am in favour of anything which will end up causing a board spill and the removal of Sticks and Pratts.

So yes I'm all for the review.

I can't see the downside, it would just tell us what we know.

Also I do wonder how it came to this, basically comes down to Elliott running the club like a dictator, and then thumbing his nose to the AFL and little things like the draft and salary cap.

Then the whole thing blew up, and we were on our knees and basically have been propped up by rich benefactors who wield power without any knowledge of how modern footy works.

What i think is this.

Before we can conquer the competition ... we must conquer ourselves.

Its logical really isnt it???

We are a limping lame man that believes were ok and can win the Olympics.

Till we learn where were falling down consistently were going nowhere

My opinion of Sticks is this.

This and no other is the root from
which a tyrant springs; when he
first appears he is a protector.”
― Plato

and i want an independent review to tell me that i am wrong... for and his friends are in total charge of my club...and its fotunes.


Lets conquer ourselves first before we start dreaming of flags...

its just logica!!!

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Of course this club needs an independent review of its entire operations, top to bottom. This is a no-brainer. It needs it because the current board and executive have spent years flailing and lurching around, like a blindfolded drunkard in a dark room trying to hit a Piñata.

I would not only support it, I would throw some money into it if needed. Perhaps a supporter-funded, non-approved independent review conducted from the outside? Like an unapproved biography. Not ideal, but perhaps worth considering as Plan B, because it will take a firestorm of supporter-led media angst for this to happen. Sticks 'Just One More Year' Kernahan doesn't strike me as the kind of person who will do anything to jeopardise his presidency for the 150th.

There needs to be a protest of supporters at Princess Park
March up Royal parade first
Not 100 or so Wouldn't be worth it
Get the websites to start a thread with everyone write their name down that are coming
Do it on a Weekday for greater media exposure
March up Royal Parade to the ground
Then a meeting with some speakers on the grounds there
make sure we have a clear message on what we are on about
is it we want the board to be desolved and Kernahan and the Pratts to walk away from the club
Are there any x players who think Sticks stinks and could speak so that the whole thing looks professional

If you got 2000 or so then that would get the Media's attention

Mark Maclure?

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What does he think of the board

Not sure. But he's in the media and calls a spade a spade.

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It wouldn't be that hard to organise but for it to be effective you would need someone like Maclure and at least one other Carlton identity to address the masses

mate thats exactly what i was thnking

and i too would throw my non membership money into this

i wonder how many people would think the same way and support it to bring some kind of pressure of accountabllity onto the club and sticks
im sure he will reject it... im sure the media will embrace this ind of story.

its a win win....awareness and a voice for carlton people..
i think if ever this was going to grow its right now....

and surely people cant object to an independent review as being necessarily harmful.... its an assessment

im guessing the more we push it the more the club will reject it and move away from it.. the more they do that.. the more a carlton people backlash will result... as any competent body wouldnt reject it if its pressured to have one.

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no u need the masses to ask for it first.... people on all forums and through twitter facebook and then media....
it needs to be something carlton people and masses want and demand...

id liove to know if maclure or walls etc would push it or protect their mates

lets just see what this club is made off shall we??

people or the giant bubble??

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No clearer sign of the need for an independent review than that interview with Swann yesterday where he basically talks about doing everything within their power to recruit Boyd and Daisy. If we have people in charge of our list who genuinely believe that a key forward is anything more than a symptom of a very shallow list then they should be shown the door post haste. I'm sick of watching this club endlessly chase the next Messiah at the expense of increasing depth on the list. Trading out (let's say) Kreuzer and Yarran plus a first round draft pick compounds the problem. I'm not against those guys being traded but the suggested GWS deal further decreases quality across the entire list. Mind numbingly stupid stuff from the club.

We may get saved from ourselves on Boyd if Buddy decides to stay with the Hawks - but I reckon we could put together a handy list of trade deals over the past ten years where we were saved by the other party or player. Jarred Brennan, Matt McGuire, Daniel Bradshaw, the list goes on and on.

That's not all that is symptomatic of our club, but it shows some pretty senior people have no clue.

Sounds like a plan.

Do go on.