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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:35 pm 
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Syners why are you pushing the review so hard? Do you have an agenda? I believe that the club needs a restructure and to achieve this in a effective way it would require a review


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:39 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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Forget about Malthouse for the moment...

Do we need an independent review of all things Carlton or not???

This is a thread about turning the club around...

Im not interested in whether people think any review is humanly possible to make independent or not.Thats ust theorizing.

Im asking if its possible... does the club need to partake in one.. open itself up and have itself fully examined from top to bottom???


you're just theorizing and ignoring practicalities

what we all KNOW is that we need is new leadership

we need to crack the stranglehold of power

we need Fahour to challenge Kernahan to a loser leaves town match



Wait.....

im theorizing and youre not!???

Do you know Fahour???

Why would Fahour go up against Kernahan and Mathieson???
Why do you think he will win??

Why do you think he is what we need???

We need first to ESTABLISH what people have been up to around the club... have they been satisfactory... how they have reached their position.. and where its all fallen down ...if in fact it has...

Maybe your suggestion is inferior to mine.. because the route we take is not the right one.

Dont learn from the past youre doomed to fail in the future.

Lets see how we have been doing things first and foremost..

Maybe the people conducting the review can come in from overseas.
Maybe people like Mathieson would bank roll it... because he does want one believe it or not.

Do we need a review on the club or do we blindly follow Fahour???



See an indie review will collect data from all over the

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:40 pm 
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Seems to be an organisation made up of a lot of FACTIONS. ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:42 pm 
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The club is screaming out for a review. We are directionless and need a road map. How could anyone defend our processes and results over the past 10 years?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:43 pm 
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sandramd1967 wrote:
Syners why are you pushing the review so hard? Do you have an agenda? I believe that the club needs a restructure and to achieve this in a effective way it would require a review

yes sandra.. my agenda is an independent review of this footy ciub.... but thats hardly a bad thing if its truly independent is it???
we need some honesty about ourselves so we can go forward ...
an independent review would deliver that more effectively than whats been the status quo.


im struggling to find one reason why an independent review would hurt this once proud footy club....

money??? call it an invesment in to our future...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:49 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Forget about Malthouse for the moment...

Do we need an independent review of all things Carlton or not???

This is a thread about turning the club around...

Im not interested in whether people think any review is humanly possible to make independent or not.Thats ust theorizing.

Im asking if its possible... does the club need to partake in one.. open itself up and have itself fully examined from top to bottom???


you're just theorizing and ignoring practicalities

what we all KNOW is that we need is new leadership

we need to crack the stranglehold of power

we need Fahour to challenge Kernahan to a loser leaves town match



Wait.....

im theorizing and youre not!???

Do you know Fahour???

Why would Fahour go up against Kernahan and Mathieson???
Why do you think he will win??

Why do you think he is what we need???

We need first to ESTABLISH what people have been up to around the club... have they been satisfactory... how they have reached their position.. and where its all fallen down ...if in fact it has...

Maybe your suggestion is inferior to mine.. because the route we take is not the right one.

Dont learn from the past youre doomed to fail in the future.

Lets see how we have been doing things first and foremost..

Maybe the people conducting the review can come in from overseas.
Maybe people like Mathieson would bank roll it... because he does want one believe it or not.

Do we need a review on the club or do we blindly follow Fahour???



See an indie review will collect data from all over the

we need a review to establish that the board is made up of yes men to shore up the hold on power ??

we need a review to establish the CEO and board have erred in proper procedure in FD appointments ??

we need a review to establish the board and CEO have erred in proper procedure in implementing effective public PR ??


WE NEED the current stranglehold on power to be cracked for any significant change to be possible !


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:52 pm 
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I'm all for a review. What are we afraid of? Geelong's review some years back has set up that club. We need to do the same.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:54 pm 
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why do I want Fahour to challenge ??

simple, because the boys club dont !!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:54 pm 
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if the board is crap and divided. and not providing direction.. it will spell it out.. and people would have to listen

indie reviews should not upset sticks.. if sticks and the cub is doing a ripper job... if theyre not.. they have reason to be concerned....

so if u want sticks to know why he should be there for the 150th or not be there... an indie review of the clu b is great...

just cos i say hes crap.. and i realy believe he is a blight on the club... doesnt mean im right...
just cos sticks thinks hes doing a ripper job doesnt mean hes right.

an indie report will settle it...!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:57 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
why do I want Fahour to challenge ??

simple, because the boys club dont !!

maybe your hatred for the board and subsequent support for fahour opens the door for more pain

an independent review will t ake out the emotion and prejudice we have and the board and people around the club have...

thats why its a good idea..

if they have been busy doing a great job the review will show that ......if not the review will reflect that also.

im saying we should see

and i want a review all the way down the cleaners... no stone unturned!!!

What do you think???... not fair for someone??

who???

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:58 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
if the board is crap and divided. and not providing direction.. it will spell it out.. and people would have to listen

indie reviews should not upset sticks.. if sticks and the cub is doing a ripper job... if theyre not.. they have reason to be concerned....

so if u want sticks to know why he should be there for the 150th or not be there... an indie review of the clu b is great...

just cos i say hes crap.. and i realy believe he is a blight on the club... doesnt mean im right...
just cos sticks thinks hes doing a ripper job doesnt mean hes right.

an indie report will settle it...!!!


more theorizing..

look, fact is there's been millions wasted on crap appointments and millions missed out on through crap PR

we've won one final in god knows how long !!

it's all FACT !!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:01 pm 
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Whats theorizing is thinking Fahour can do a better job... its theory

Look maybe the board have been closing the door on others and soeone else might be a better fit for the club...

The review will show this ...... you wouldnt know....

would you??

Do you know who each and every person who might do the job is???...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:04 pm 
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the board needs to be cracked for ANYTHING to happen - that's a practicality


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:15 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
the board needs to be cracked for ANYTHING to happen - that's a practicality

So what youre saying is we dont need an independent review of this footy club and youd be anti its inception??

ok...

understood!!!

What needs to happen is we need overwhelming support for an independnt review of the club from top to bottom....
This will come if we all get behind it.. demand it.. use every means we can to get it through inclusing the media.

Im sure Caro would love to do a story on the CFC and sticks and his lack of accountabity as he leads an underperformng club for his own selfish reason into another season

The time to get the wheels in motion is right now....

Fahour has 2 votes on the bpard.... my idea is heaps better than yours...

Mine means we pressure him and use media to put the spotight on him till he agreees to have it.. or ignores the calls..

But with support we can really turn the screws on Sticks.. he hates negative attention... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:18 pm 
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an INDEPENDENT review instigated by Mathieson snr & jnr ??


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:19 pm 
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Exactly right Synners.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:25 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
an INDEPENDENT review instigated by Mathieson snr & jnr ??

no u can choose the peple condcting it.... u rexy!!!

do u think its a good idea or not???

not the bit about u...

an indie report...

we can work out later whats acceptable and whats not..

maybe the members and supporters ca pay $2 each to fund it...!!!

one thing is for sure...Sticks is president next year
Constitution says u vote for board .. board votes for prez...

What do you say???
Fahour 2 votes
Sticks 10
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:27 pm 
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One Area which really made my blood Boil last year was the Recruitment Department....

I can't aim the fingers at Malthouse because he came late to the Scene. When the Trade period began, We sent out a pathetic statement saying:

" The Carlton footy Club will not be participating in any trades as our List is stable and strong, and we have all areas covered. We are near the doors of challenging for the primership "


The drafts that followed saw us follow the same trend and hold the same statement. It is simply pathetic and unacceptable.

The Club needs to be aggressive in targeting some established players. That means getting rid of house hold names such as Gibbs or Carrazo or even Judd.

We have so many average middle rank footballers in our team. They show a bit, but when it comes to the big games and playing the top 8 clubs, they can't compete with them. Get rid of them or trade them.

The Players in my mind who will never take us anywhere and need to be looked at are:

Curnow
Cachia
Bootsma
White
Hampson
Laidler
Watson
Davies
Armfield
Casboult
Duigan
Ellard
Joseph
Collins
Dale
O'Keffe


Players which the Club must be prepared to Trade are:

Yarran
Gibbs
Warnock
Lucas
Robinson
Mcarthy
Armfield


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:28 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
the board needs to be cracked for ANYTHING to happen - that's a practicality

So what youre saying is we dont need an independent review of this footy club and youd be anti its inception??

ok...

Fahour has 2 votes on the bpard.... my idea is heaps better than yours...

:thumbsup:


Synners,

Who are Fahours 2 supporters?

Do the rest support Sticks or is there a third group?

A proper independent review at the right time might be a good idea.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:30 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
an INDEPENDENT review instigated by Mathieson snr & jnr ??

no u can choose the peple condcting it.... u rexy!!!

do u think its a good idea or not???

not the bit about u...

an indie report...

we can work out later whats acceptable and whats not..

maybe the members and supporters ca pay $2 each to fund it...!!!

one thing is for sure...Sticks is president next year
Constitution says u vote for board .. board votes for prez...

What do you say???
Fahour 2 votes
Sticks 10
:wink:


may be Mathieson snr & jnr should step out of the Pratt/Elliott/Sticks tent and do a deal with Fahour to get a TRULY INDEPENDENT review :wink:


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