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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:34 am 
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Greg Swann is on radio right now. KB just asked him about trading Kreuzer.
Dismissed it straight away, said why would we do that and wont happen.

Even if he was going to trade him why tell KB on Hungry for Sport!!!? :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:38 am 
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About time put all this rubbish about trading Kreuz to rest. Swan made it very clear not going to happen. Good. In years to come like to re-visit this one with folk wanting a trade. He is a gun.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:52 am 
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Don wrote:
About time put all this rubbish about trading Kreuz to rest. Swan made it very clear not going to happen. Good. In years to come like to re-visit this one with folk wanting a trade. He is a gun.


And so the cycle spins on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:02 am 
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If we lose this week it's probably worth rolling through what we have on the list for the rest of the season. Give them a go at the top level and see what comes out. And play Laidler, even if it's to boost trade value.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:55 am 
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Don wrote:
About time put all this rubbish about trading Kreuz to rest. Swan made it very clear not going to happen. Good. In years to come like to re-visit this one with folk wanting a trade. He is a gun.


He's a gun?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:12 pm 
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Play Kruezer at CHB for the remainder of the season and beyond.
Could be a revelation there
Do it once Mick...you won't regret it
Frees up Hendo into the fwd line
Warnock first ruck + goals square, with some respite from Casboult and maybe Kruezer
When Warnock in goal square, bypass CHF and bomb it in for Warnock to mark or give crumbs to small forwards
If inside 50 ball up/throw in, Warnock takes it

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:36 pm 
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Don wrote:
About time put all this rubbish about trading Kreuz to rest. Swan made it very clear not going to happen. Good. In years to come like to re-visit this one with folk wanting a trade. He is a gun.


He's a gun?


..well, TC has moved on from the trade gibbs game afterall..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:43 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Play Kruezer at CHB for the remainder of the season and beyond.
Could be a revelation there


Who's he going to play on? Cloke, Reiwoldt, Pavlich, Brown, Tippett? They would have a field day

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:51 pm 
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..replied to the same post elsewhere.. ..Krooz has good agility for a ruckman, but a CHF would be too quick on the burst, and possibly too nimble in manouvering, although Krooz would probably win as many as he lost ground ball contests.. ..thing is, Krooz is a ruck, that can play a role up fwd dictating the play.. ..though up fwd he's not as good in the ruck.. ..but at CHB, i think he'd be a waste..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:50 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..replied to the same post elsewhere.. ..Krooz has good agility for a ruckman, but a CHF would be too quick on the burst, and possibly too nimble in manouvering, although Krooz would probably win as many as he lost ground ball contests.. ..thing is, Krooz is a ruck, that can play a role up fwd dictating the play.. ..though up fwd he's not as good in the ruck.. ..but at CHB, i think he'd be a waste..


So we need a nimble manouverer and a bloke who can play as good in the ruck when he's 75m away in the goal square as he is in the centre square.

Piece of piss.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:22 pm 
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..no.. ..if you want to release Hendo, and i'm all for this since i've been banging on about Hendo as our CHF for too long now.. ..you get a CHB, to be CHB.. ..Krooz is agile for a ruckman, but thats against other ruckmen.. ..and he's got good pace for a big man once he's got a head of steam up, but in a quick burst of acceleration most KPPs will be faster.. ..and his football nous is as a ruck and as a rover.. ..he doesn't have good kpp craft.. ..sure, in time he may get it.. ..but there's still the fact that he's a ruckman vs a kpp opponent.. ..leave him in the ruck, and try and offload Knockers.. ..even if you don't get a good trade, you free up the coin he's on.. ..if you can find another club happy to take on his contract.. ..which wont be easy..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:52 pm 
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SnickerS wrote:
Don wrote:
About time put all this rubbish about trading Kreuz to rest. Swan made it very clear not going to happen. Good. In years to come like to re-visit this one with folk wanting a trade. He is a gun.


He's a gun?


He is - just not in the traditional sense. Kreuzer's secondary bullocking work and ability to pick up a low ball cleanly/fire off a handball quickly is elite. I'd still have picked cotchin though on basis that smalls have a longer period of dominance than talls - kreuzer is still 2-3 yrs away from physical peak


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:24 pm 
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I seriously don't believe we will be trading any of our top 20 players. Just no value in it.

What we will hoping to do is get some second and third round picks for guys like Laidler and Hampson.

What we will look to do is "add" to our list and hopefully gain some depth. 10-12 players will go and we will add some via free agency, some smart trading and via the draft as well as rookies.

The rest is up to MM and the coaching staff. If they can get the best out 6-7 of Menzel, Yarran, Garlett, Lucas, Casboult, McCarthy, McInnes, Bell, Bootsma, Graham, Temay, Cachia, OKeefe & Buckley we may not be that far away.

Add them to a nucleus of Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Kruezer, Henderson, Jamison, Carrazzo, Robinson, Simpson, Waite, Armfield, Betts and 8-10 talented and well selected kids and you never know what can happen.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:43 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Add them to a nucleus of Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Kruezer, Henderson, Jamison, Carrazzo, Robinson, Simpson, Waite, Armfield, Betts and 8-10 talented and well selected kids and you never know what can happen.


Aside from Henderson and Gibbs, that 'nucleus' doesn't excite me much Psych...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:00 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
10-12 players will go and we will add some via free agency, some smart trading and via the draft as well as rookies.

10 to 12 players gone is spoon years proportions but i agree.
Can only come up with Melbourne as a worse case of recruiting, player development and list management.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:29 pm 
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There's really no way to fix our situation quickly. We could tinker around at the top and probably eke out a few more wins over the next couple of years before the older players move on but it's not going to lead to sustained success.

We need to start being smart and methodical with drafting and development and building from the bottom up so our depth is kids with upside pushing the seniors for a spot rather than battlers with obvious limitations waiting around for someone to get injured. Thankfully most of those battlers are out of contract now so we have some flexibility going forward around who we retain or move on but it's going to take a few years to turn it over. We can only make so many changes at once without resorting to picking kids at the bottom of the draft which would be counterproductive.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:00 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Play Kruezer at CHB for the remainder of the season and beyond.
Could be a revelation there


Who's he going to play on? Cloke, Reiwoldt, Pavlich, Brown, Tippett? They would have a field day



Why?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..replied to the same post elsewhere.. ..Krooz has good agility for a ruckman, but a CHF would be too quick on the burst, and possibly too nimble in manouvering, although Krooz would probably win as many as he lost ground ball contests.. ..thing is, Krooz is a ruck, that can play a role up fwd dictating the play.. ..though up fwd he's not as good in the ruck.. ..but at CHB, i think he'd be a waste..


He's an average ruck and an average/below average forward.
Sounds like he's a waste in those positions.
Could see him becoming the general of that first line of defence
And yes...he'll need some coaching and time
Needs to be settled at CHB, play one direction only, learn to compete when one on one, position smartly to minimise separation on a lead and be given carte blanche to go first,second or third man up when required

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:06 pm 
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Kruezer needs to be played CHF. That is we're we can use he's mobility and skills best.
It's a win / win for both currently or at least until we get a CHF / CHB. We have 2 other ruckman that can do the job.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:10 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Kruezer needs to be played CHF. That is we're we can use he's mobility and skills best.
It's a win / win for both currently or at least until we get a CHF / CHB. We have 2 other ruckman that can do the job.


Has shown time and time and time again that he is not a natural forward. If he was, we'd be playing him there more (and we'd be probably winning more)

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