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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:18 am 
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99prelim wrote:
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I'm a malthouse fan.
He is what needed to happen.


5 years too late


Was still coaching collingwood then unfortunately.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:20 am 
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Stick to ya guns!

Lol Daneo, when you've got a cracking track record of bagging guys like BBW you keep plugging away


If he keeps fighting like this, I think I might hate Malthouse too.
I'll be converted.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:02 pm 
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I don't hate Malthouse. I do hate the fact that he is Carlton's coach.

I just think he is overrated ... and has made some extremely poor coaching decisions. His performance in the Essendon* and StKilda matches in particular were almost incompetent ... and other decisions he has made at the selection table have cost us games.

He has had a better list to work with and with less injuries, yet there is not much difference in the win loss ratio compared to last year. Given the fanfare of his arrival and the goals that Carlton were expected to meet last year ... I would have thought a prelim was the minimum goal ... but it looks like we have already locked ourselves out of the 8 ... and people are already starting to excuse him.

I certainly don't TRUST him to fix the problems at the club ... But I do HOPE that he does.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:10 pm 
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I don't hate Malthouse. I do hate the fact that he is Carlton's coach.

I just think he is overrated ... and has made some extremely poor coaching decisions. His performance in the Essendon* and StKilda matches in particular were almost incompetent ... and other decisions he has made at the selection table have cost us games.

He has had a better list to work with and with less injuries, yet there is not much difference in the win loss ratio compared to last year. Given the fanfare of his arrival and the goals that Carlton were expected to meet last year ... I would have thought a prelim was the minimum goal ... but it looks like we have already locked ourselves out of the 8 ... and people are already starting to excuse him.

I certainly don't TRUST him to fix the problems at the club ... But I do HOPE that he does.

Have you ever sat in the shed? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:13 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Do you believe all this crap Sugarcane? :lol:
This is same bloke who hasnt openly said all players are not equal. Lesser lights are treated differently to star players.
And spare me the "pure honestly" crap.
This is the same bloke who blatantly lied about the Stephen Milne incident and was forced to apologise for trying to worm his way out of an incident instead of taking responsibility for his actions.

Yes Mick is doing a good job, yes Mick deserves some patience and support but spare me the Mother Teresa sermon.
Some of you people need to get a grasp of reality. Malthouse is a successful coach of years gone by and hopefully he can bring some success to Carlton but he has plenty of frailties as well.

If you're expecting something other than a footy football coach in his latter years of career you're going to be very disappointed because thats the reality.
He isnt the panacea sent to save our club. He is a small part of the puzzle.


I think your missing the point

Maybe the poetic nature of my post got the better of you

It's ok to admit you were moved by it, be it positively or other lol

Seriously though, you must be out of your mind if you think I think Malthouse is the second coming and it all rests on him and he's God like

If anything his frailties are appealing, as he knows too well there's no guarantees and the best we can do us be disciplined, and stick to the plan, and weed out those who won't adhere and who lack the mental fortitude under pressure

He's not the savior, but he's bloody close to it because at the end of the day the HC is mightily important - just look at the fiasco at Melbourne

Malthouse is an old coach but he's a recent Premiership coach whose shown he is capable of changing his ways - that's a rare breed in an old coach

He's also been able to extract good, consistent effort from our chargers already as illustrated by the low losing margins

And as per my other thread it appears the players mostly are on side with him because he keeps the message simple and consistent

He does appear to me on the outside looking in to be about as good a coach as we could have hoped to have got

He's ticking nearly every single box

To be honest I couldn't give a rats arse if he's not the nicest guy and is moody and can't accept publicly some of his errors in previous years

I never said he's a saint nor ought to be one

We are very much richer for having him at the club
But he's not everything and there are other important variables

I must admit BV I don't read a lot of your posts, partly because I've formed a view that you tend to be overtly negative

I hope I'm wrong about you and if so you can accept my apology - I don't spend hours in here every day so can't read everyone's posts


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:22 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Do you believe all this crap Sugarcane? :lol:
This is same bloke who hasnt openly said all players are not equal. Lesser lights are treated differently to star players.
And spare me the "pure honestly" crap.
This is the same bloke who blatantly lied about the Stephen Milne incident and was forced to apologise for trying to worm his way out of an incident instead of taking responsibility for his actions.

Yes Mick is doing a good job, yes Mick deserves some patience and support but spare me the Mother Teresa sermon.
Some of you people need to get a grasp of reality. Malthouse is a successful coach of years gone by and hopefully he can bring some success to Carlton but he has plenty of frailties as well.

If you're expecting something other than a footy football coach in his latter years of career you're going to be very disappointed because thats the reality.
He isnt the panacea sent to save our club. He is a small part of the puzzle.



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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:28 pm 
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he still lied

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:44 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Do you believe all this crap Sugarcane? :lol:
This is same bloke who hasnt openly said all players are not equal. Lesser lights are treated differently to star players.
And spare me the "pure honestly" crap.
This is the same bloke who blatantly lied about the Stephen Milne incident and was forced to apologise for trying to worm his way out of an incident instead of taking responsibility for his actions.

Yes Mick is doing a good job, yes Mick deserves some patience and support but spare me the Mother Teresa sermon.
Some of you people need to get a grasp of reality. Malthouse is a successful coach of years gone by and hopefully he can bring some success to Carlton but he has plenty of frailties as well.

If you're expecting something other than a footy football coach in his latter years of career you're going to be very disappointed because thats the reality.
He isnt the panacea sent to save our club. He is a small part of the puzzle.



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/s ... 2ofzh.html



Milnes guilt or otherwise is totally irrelevant.
As I said, he's a slug and I hope he goes to jail.

I'd suggest it is you who is missing the point.

The point is Malthouse called him a @#$%&! rapist and blatantly lied when he was caught out.
Not only did he deny it, he was emphatic in his denial. Along the line of "lets get this straight right now, I didnt speak to him at all"
Even when it was blatantly obvious, he still tried to lie his way out of it.

I find incidents like the above unpalatable and they suggest a serious character flaw.
I find it hard to respect people who dont take responsibility for their actions.
If that makes me a negative poster, so be it.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:50 pm 
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Hmm I suggest your not only negative but also quite angry

Just a gut feel judging from the vine of your posts

Maybe you need to take a break and drink some green tea or something


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:00 pm 
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Lets see where we finish at years end ... I suspect it will be no better than last year ... with a better list.

So much for 'Savior'.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:02 pm 
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Can mm change our game plan it is to predictable in all our losses opp crowd our fwd line we go the long bomb turnover and away they go.I love watching swans and cats how they all get back and defend leaving no room for opp fwds.Our team 1 strength is speed so we should be able to use it both ways.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:08 pm 
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pew1 wrote:
Can mm change our game plan it is to predictable in all our losses opp crowd our fwd line we go the long bomb turnover and away they go.I love watching swans and cats how they all get back and defend leaving no room for opp fwds.Our team 1 strength is speed so we should be able to use it both ways.


Na ... MM believes in the big bomb to the forward line no matter what.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:23 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
Hmm I suggest your not only negative but also quite angry

Just a gut feel judging from the vine of your posts

Maybe you need to take a break and drink some green tea or something


I suspect you're right.
The older I get, the less tolerant I become of fools and big noters.
I dont think green tea can fix that though......

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:34 pm 
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What exactly is your point again?

He is good for the club but just a small part of the solution? I think you're deluding yourself if you think his presence is not significant

Or is your point that he's not a nice guy, case you seem to be obsessed with a character assassination. If that's your point I have I say I couldn't give a dam if he's not a perfect citizen


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The point is Malthouse called him a !@#$%& rapist and blatantly lied when he was caught out.
Not only did he deny it, he was emphatic in his denial. Along the line of "lets get this straight right now, I didnt speak to him at all"
Even when it was blatantly obvious, he still tried to lie his way out of it.

I find incidents like the above unpalatable and they suggest a serious character flaw.
I find it hard to respect people who dont take responsibility for their actions.
If that makes me a negative poster, so be it.


I can understand your stance BV but really if you look at his time at Collingwood (West Coast as well) and the way the players played for him before and after this incident he is a master of galvanising the playing group. He does this over long periods of time during his coaching tenure. You see it as a character flaw but perhaps you need to just put it aside, players play for him and I see nothing to suggest that it won't happen at Carlton.
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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:38 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Lets see where we finish at years end ... I suspect it will be no better than last year ... with a better list.

So much for 'Savior'.


You see I clearly don't read enough of the posts here

If I did I wouldn't have just now realized there's so many ignorant posters here

If you guys can't see the benefit of having Mick coach then really you're not worth the time taken to address via this forum

I'll happily discuss with clued up posters how the clubs faring maybe by PM so I don't have to read all the rubbish from these types of ignorant fools

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:39 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
Seriously though, you must be out of your mind if you think I think Malthouse is the second coming and it all rests on him and he's God like

...

He's not the savior, but he's bloody close to it...


I think you need an editor.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:47 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
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I won't surprise me in the least if the next big move from the super duper coach is to appoint Mark Neeld as an assistant. Oh Yea ... :clap: :grin:


No different to Haw appointing Ratts
What's your point super duper disliker of MM?

Ratts makes a fantastic assistant coach... as did Neeld at da pois

Unfortunate for them as they have higher aspirations but maybe that's all they'll ever be.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:49 pm 
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Malthouse throws the odd hissy fit. Last fridays being his first at Carlton. I doubt it will be his last. The media dont seem as scared of him anymore and negative press is starting to head his way and more to come if the last two days are anything to go by. Needs to reign his temper in. I doubt this stuff will bring any good to the Blues.
Some of us felt sick watching him unravel others liked it saying he was standing up for the club. I reckon we all have to agree to disagree on that one.
The lies with the Milne situation was funny at the time. Caught red handed. Lets hope he learnt from it.

He will make out team better in the long run no doubt. It will be different for everyone how much of the other stuff along the way they can take.


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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:52 pm 
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woof wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The point is Malthouse called him a !@#$%& rapist and blatantly lied when he was caught out.
Not only did he deny it, he was emphatic in his denial. Along the line of "lets get this straight right now, I didnt speak to him at all"
Even when it was blatantly obvious, he still tried to lie his way out of it.

I find incidents like the above unpalatable and they suggest a serious character flaw.
I find it hard to respect people who dont take responsibility for their actions.
If that makes me a negative poster, so be it.


I can understand your stance BV but really if you look at his time at Collingwood (West Coast as well) and the way the players played for him before and after this incident he is a master of galvanising the playing group. He does this over long periods of time during his coaching tenure. You see it as a character flaw but perhaps you need to just put it aside, players play for him and I see nothing to suggest that it won't happen at Carlton.
This what we all want.


You know what? I couldn't agree more.
I hope Malthouse becomes our greatest ever coach and I hope like hell the players love him.

But please, dont expect me to swallow the absolute crap served up like the stuff Virgin Blue is writing here.
He tells us MM is about 'pure truth"
He tells us players are disciplined no matter who they are. MM has clearly stated all players are not equal and star players deserve different treatment.
Now, I'm happy to support Malthouse but please, dont expect me to swallow absolute nonsense about the bloke.

Surely if he's so good, we shouldn't have to fabricate fictional little stories to pump his tyres up. :?

Hows this for a deal. The OP stops writing rubbish and I'll stop correcting it.
Win Win and we can all enjoy the footy.

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