Griffiths body doesn't seem to be able to handle AFL footy.

Pears is an interesting one; injuries have hurt him too - has he lost too much speed? Would allow Henderson to move forward.

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would Sam Reid be an option ?

should be targetting competitive decent sized mids anyeay

Not sure about the talls debate.

Watching the mid and small ball users at the Swans it looks like everyone is about 4 or these guys short.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Conclusion: picks 2 and 3 are the real gun picks. Your saved from the pressure of consensus and expectation that comes from pick 1, and tanking for pick 2 and 3 is near on impossible to prove.

Spot on!

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..no, they didn't.. ..they tried to poach him before he re-signed with us.. ..they didn't come back to try and trade.. ..that talk from Sheeds about them offering us the world for a 'star' is bollocks..

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People aren't over-reacting to the Essendon* loss, the loss is a microcosm of everything wrong at the club, and has been wrong for a very long time.

We have done ok with our number 1 picks (Kreuzer is debatable but still a good player), and speculative picks lower in the draft and rookie picks (Carrazzo, Betts, Garlett, Armfield, Jamison, Tuohy, Jacobs etc), but precious little else (Yarran has been good, as has Kennedy). Others have come into our laps like Hendo.

People comparing us to Melb, Doggies and Richmond prove the point.

And yet if the siren went 1min 40secs earlier we would be having this discussion.

Would Jamo really get much interest on the trade table anyway? He's 27 and is so injury prone.

I wouldn't think so

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I think he would. Tim Golds and a 2nd round pick. Would you do it? I know I would. But i have balls.

You just have nothing to lose. Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.

Trading Jamison makes no sense unless someone is willing to massively overpay and with his injury history that's unlikely. We have no viable options to replace him and creating a hole at FB to potentially fill a hole elsewhere isn't the way to improve a list. It's just rearranging the problem.

Ruckmen, small forwards and 3rd tall defenders are positions where we have multiple options and can cover a loss. They might not be highly valued positions but at least trading them doesn't create as many problems as it solves.

Of course...you're right. Never the risk takers Carlton. Better give the bloke another contract.

Good response.

Good response from someone who has accepted mediocrity? Suprising response coming from someone old enough to remember when Carlton did most things very well.

Would of been prolonged a week perhaps.

I was still angry even when we were holding on for dear life in the last because we shouldn't of even been in that position.

Thing is you can't claim we are unlucky all the time, were we unlucky against Richmond, Collingwood and St Kilda too? Against GC last year?

We very rarely beat top 8 opposition and it can't be down to just bad luck.

I'm all for trading out players for picks/young talent, we've never had the balls to do it and our list has stagnated. But trading Jamison doesn't seem like a SMART risk. We need another KPB to step up and enable Hendo to go forward, your idea would require 2 of them. Do we have them? Maybe Rowe and Watson. But you're weakening an area of weakness.

A smarter play would seem to be - trade one or two rucks. You can only play one of them per game these days anyway. Hampson and Warnock would attract minimal interest. Get something like a pick 6 for Kreuzer or better, get a pick in the low teens and one in the 20s.

There might be other opportunities, and yes we need to be bold. We need to keep replenishing the list. Collingwood somehow got first round picks for Wellingham and Dawes and drafted Grundy and Kennedy. Their future might be secured right there.

If it wasn't that loss, it would be another.

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