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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:03 pm 
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As much as I like him, Hammer did have a shocker. Seemed to be in a different place for mine, or not fit. Rowe was down compared to recent form.


Only saw about half the game, but I agree. Worst game I've ever seen from Hammer. Needs a run at VFL level. Casboult only needs another reasonable performance to return.

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Too many poor decisions that resulted in rebounding over our heads. Crows are good at getting free 20-35m in front of the ball and then getting the ball on a lead. Happened too often.


Yeah, not sure whether it was simple midfield laziness. Or poor defensive set up. Not sure why we didn't leave some players in defensive 50 once we got 5 goals up. Bombing into a crowded forward 50, then watching the ball rebound over your head into an open 50 is dumb footy. Especially since Adelaide struggle to kick goals any other way.


I thought when they dd get those shots they moved the ball quickly and led across the ground
to space: let's face it that happens in Aussie rules because you can. hard place to get to nevertheless,

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:03 pm 
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Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.


Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:06 pm 
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jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.



Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.
Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.



Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:08 pm 
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Bring in McCarthy, Laidler or Watson as a key defender.


I actually don't mind that either. MM has shown a willingness to try different players and strategies depending on our opposition. Great idea to give Henderson a game or 2 or 3 forward, and give one of the younger KPD another shot at senior level.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:08 pm 
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jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.


Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.


Really like to see Casboult, Henderson & Waite as our forwards. Please!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:08 pm 
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jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.


Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.


So does Kruezer come in for Warnock and Waite for Hampson? Leaving Waite and Caz as forwards and Kruezer as ruck?

I wouldn't think so. Id say out go Hampson and Rowe and in come Kruez and Waite.

We need to think in terms of team not individuals.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:08 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
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ok hampson, struggled persist
what about rowe what did he do
and lucas must go


Rowe has played 4 games, deserves the same opportunity Hampson has been given for a number of years.


Only Hampson was a twenty year old soccer convert and Rowe was a 24 year old battler when we got him. To give the latter six years to come good wouldn't be particularly good list management.

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if not performin g to AFL standard...
everybody deserves to be given a go......... in the VFL

Hampson and Rowe first.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:12 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.



Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.
Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.



Kreuzers best work is a roaming footballer.

Not in the ruck... just that in the ruck he can roam
You create a position for K... and that is let his smarts .. defensive efforts... work ethic .. and God given footballers talents to be used.

He isnt the best ruckman at the club but he is on e of the very best footballers.


Yeah we should play him as a floater like westhoff is doing at port, Quite a few teams are playing a tall floater.
Perfect for kruezer that role

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:12 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Bring in McCarthy, Laidler or Watson as a key defender.


I actually don't mind that either. MM has shown a willingness to try different players and strategies depending on our opposition. Great idea to give Henderson a game or 2 or 3 forward, and give one of the younger KPD another shot at senior level.

Defenders are cornerstone of his game style jamo and hendo are locked in


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:13 pm 
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It's 2013 and ths a long way to go.
we had their measure.
we beat them because we are better than them
minus Waite, Kreuzer...and a cast of progressive footballers.

our guys are progressing well.
We have all year.

I don't think Hampson Kreuzer and Warnock played a role in this game
We got the 4 points.
need to reset for next round.

A lot of good signs from at least a dozen great individual efforts.
I reckon 12 players improved on last week.

good signs....very good win.
Never in doubt . Stop worrying.

2-3 from 3-0 down

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:15 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Should the Squid be closer to getting a game than Watson???

Can Watson play KF????


At what level?

question then needs to be asked again.....

what is watto???


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:16 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
if not performin g to AFL standard...
everybody deserves to be given a go......... in the VFL

Hampson and Rowe first.

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With Lucas to follow. Shirks the contest every time. Imagine him in a final on a wing against Geelong's hardened bodies. Truly firightening.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:17 pm 
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club29 wrote:
jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.


Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.


So does Kruezer come in for Warnock and Waite for Hampson? Leaving Waite and Caz as forwards and Kruezer as ruck?

I wouldn't think so. Id say out go Hampson and Rowe and in come Kruez and Waite.

We need to think in terms of team not individuals.


Team requires two decent key forwards, not a forward and a ruckman in the two key posts. We can play one ruckman with relief from a key forward (Casboult). No good thinking team if if you put blokes in the wrong position.

At worst Kreuzer can rest in the forward pocket given the type of player Waite is. Even so, we played best last year up forward with Waite and Casboult. Kreuzer played best when he rucked most of the day, with relief from Casboult. As someone said, while he's not a brilliant actual ruckman he's a very good footballer, so that role of following the ball around all day suits him.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:21 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.


Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.


Really like to see Casboult, Henderson & Waite as our forwards. Please!


I strongly believe Kreuzer can adapt to many KP roles.
there's 4 KP Positions but the umpteen roles they can play.

I really like the prospect Cas Hendo Wait fwd line. filthy in a good way.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:23 pm 
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out of harmes' way wrote:
Team requires two decent key forwards, not a forward and a ruckman in the two key posts. We can play one ruckman with relief from a key forward (Casboult). No good thinking team if if you put blokes in the wrong position.

Get Harry Taylor

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:23 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.


Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.


Really like to see Casboult, Henderson & Waite as our forwards. Please!




I really like the prospect Cas Hendo Wait fwd line. filthy in a good way.
Like that. Just need someone to play CHB. That'd be Rowe or Watson I suppose.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:26 pm 
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jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.


Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.


Really like to see Casboult, Henderson & Waite as our forwards. Please!




I really like the prospect Cas Hendo Wait fwd line. filthy in a good way.
Like that. Just need someone to play CHB. That'd be Rowe or Watson I suppose.


Yeah nah.....nah

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:27 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
jim wrote:
club29 wrote:
Maybe with Krooz and Waite forward we will look better.

The defense looked shaky again when Gibbs went off. He was quite clever in the first half working the angles and using his hard defensive running. Hope his hammy is not too bad.

Still a few players not quite there. Hopefully Malthouse can iron that out.

The Crows have a super lazy midfield. Dangerfield, Sloan and Thompson were terrible with their defensive running and made life easy for out attacking players.


Kreuzer is not a forward, never will be. Already sc rewed around with trying one ruckman up forward. It' rarely works. Best results will come from Waite and Casboult. We looked lot better up forward last year when those two were playing together (Gold Coast disaster not withstanding, even then they combined for 2.10...eek). Straightened us up going forward.


Really like to see Casboult, Henderson & Waite as our forwards. Please!


I strongly believe Kreuzer can adapt to many KP roles.
there's 4 KP Positions but the umpteen roles they can play.

I really like the prospect Cas Hendo Wait fwd line. filthy in a good way.


Kruezer is a ruckman and a ruckman only. Our best side will come with ONE of Warnock or Kruezer as our ruck. If we had a half decent key forward playing we wouldn't even be having these discussions.

The positioning, leading and awareness today of Hampson and Rowe was embarrassing. Like watching under 15s. Makes it so hard for others to deliver the ball. Confusing.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:28 pm 
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I'd love to see Waite, Mitchell and menzel come in for hampson, Rowe and Lucas.

Waite at chf for Rowe. Whilst Rowe has been decent, Waite is much better when fit.
Mitchell at ff for hampson. A true lead up forward who can actually kick. Hammer is just useless.
Menzel.for Lucas. Lucas is frustrating, simple.

Then kreuzer in as a roamer and provide a good target around the boundary line wings. Play a bit like Leigh Brown but more mobile and much better!! Not sure whod go for him though, but he has to come in and he shouldn't be played as a forward. I agree Robbie as number one ruck.

Try this for the next few weeks against the lesser teams and see if it works...


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