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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:00 am 
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I'd be surprised if Kernahan chose to sit out another year.
I understand that moves are afoot for a changeover. We'll see how that pans out.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:01 am 
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..Sticks needs to hit L.A, and spend a weekend with charlie sheen,, so he can unlock the secret of monumental stuff-ups that see you get ahead..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:25 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
We chucked Elliott and his board -did results get any better - NO
We chucked out Collins and his board -did results get any better - NO
We chucked out Smorgan and his board- Did results get any better - NO
We brought in Pratt and his Board - did results get any better - NO
So now you want to chuck out Sticks and his board

If we replace Sticks that will be 6 Presidents in the space of 11 years and some how you think someone like Mitchell or Fahour is going to wave some sort of magical wand and change the fortunes of the club

The posters on this board that are bemoaning the old carlton cheque book quick fix are all looking for a quick fix
It used to be laughable reading all this now it is just tiresome and tedious

15 years of mediocre board service is not a quick fix

hes been there way too long

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:36 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We chucked Elliott and his board -did results get any better - NO
We chucked out Collins and his board -did results get any better - NO
We chucked out Smorgan and his board- Did results get any better - NO
We brought in Pratt and his Board - did results get any better - NO
So now you want to chuck out Sticks and his board

If we replace Sticks that will be 6 Presidents in the space of 11 years and some how you think someone like Mitchell or Fahour is going to wave some sort of magical wand and change the fortunes of the club

The posters on this board that are bemoaning the old carlton cheque book quick fix are all looking for a quick fix
It used to be laughable reading all this now it is just tiresome and tedious

15 years of mediocre board service is not a quick fix

hes been there way too long


What you should have said, Synbad, is that 15 years of mediocre board service isn't any kind of fix. It's more pertinent.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:54 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
The posters on this board that are bemoaning the old carlton cheque book quick fix are all looking for a quick fix. It used to be laughable reading all this now it is just tiresome and tedious


I don't know if anyone is advocating the whole board go - there's obviously been some good performances on there - but the average member isn't too privy to it. I've certainly been a part of organisations in the past where someone has come on board and surrounded themselves with the right people and instigated what seemed like minimal change, but the effect was astounding.

The little things that need to happen that the board CAN control I've already addressed, so you'll have to look back through this thread. The situation we had last week was unforgivable. It was poorly orchestrated, badly handled and worse yet - the communication of it was shithouse. It harmed the brand. A massive no-no. Yet, it's been in the works for a long time. It's like the Queen's Obituary. It was probably first written in the 50's...you add to it it, tinker it and if she keeled over tomorrow, you have it ready to go. What were Swann, Sticks and Coutts doing? Making it up on the fly? I could sense that the Media Manager, Michelle Trewartha wasn't particularly delighted with proceedings. They were extremely fortunate that the biggest story to fall out of it was how well Ratts conducted himself in the face of adversity.

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'People'...Attract, develop and retain a remarkable team of high performers.
Football is a business that requires elite development, preparation and performance. Carlton aims to offer a high-performance environment for staff both within and outside the Football Department.

It isn't hitting that Objective because some people at the top are stale, non-creative, insular, selfish and not up to date with how to effectively operate. They are interested in only one thing - protecting their patch of turf at the club. If they truly cared about the club, they'd move aside.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:10 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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Making it up on the fly? I could sense that the Media Manager, Michelle Trewartha wasn't particularly delighted with proceedings. They were extremely fortunate that the biggest story to fall out of it was how well Ratts conducted himself in the face of adversity.



I think they/we were extremely fortunate (and its not a nice thing to say) that the day after we 'sacked' Ratten - Australia experienced the worst day of war losses since the Vietnam War.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:12 am 
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That's complete bs.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:20 am 
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How can you be stale when you haven't been there that long - People sit here and put Costa and Cook on a pedastal and yet they have had years to get it right

This club needs a long and sustained stabilisation period this chopping and changing for changes sake is not going to achieve anything . Its a bit like an opposition party that keeps changes it's leader every 5 minutes until it finds someone who they think will get it over the line

You cannot develop a plan for the future if your future is uncertain and have this threat of being chucked out every couple of years is only going to ensure more quick fixes and more failed plans . People need to be put in place and backed to the hilt . and there is no saying that whoever was to replace Sticks would be doing any better job.

To say you want the board replaced means you no longer want the influence of the Visy connections , If the club were to cut ties with Visy they would financially fall in a hole . Presidents and Boards bring the dollars in and until someone fronts up with a shit load of cash there is no sense in changing the incumbents .

6 presidents in 11 years does not send a good signal to sponsors

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:34 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
How can you be stale when you haven't been there that long - People sit here and put Costa and Cook on a pedastal and yet they have had years to get it right

This club needs a long and sustained stabilisation period this chopping and changing for changes sake is not going to achieve anything . Its a bit like an opposition party that keeps changes it's leader every 5 minutes until it finds someone who they think will get it over the line

You cannot develop a plan for the future if your future is uncertain and have this threat of being chucked out every couple of years is only going to ensure more quick fixes and more failed plans . People need to be put in place and backed to the hilt . and there is no saying that whoever was to replace Sticks would be doing any better job.

To say you want the board replaced means you no longer want the influence of the Visy connections , If the club were to cut ties with Visy they would financially fall in a hole . Presidents and Boards bring the dollars in and until someone fronts up with a shit load of cash there is no sense in changing the incumbents .

6 presidents in 11 years does not send a good signal to sponsors


Not entirely true, but that's exactly why the current board is stinking the joint up. If we're reliant on Mathieson and Pratt gifts, then you really have to ask yourself what the hell the board (in its current state) is doing.

Is it a properly functioning board of directors with strong and focussed leadership, or is it a bunch of comparative lightweights surrounded by two very wealthy families?

I'm all for continuity and stability. But only if we're continuing on a path that's demonstrably a good one to be on. 3 more years of Kernahan presidency?? Even one of our two 'families' - the Mathiesons, sees the folly in that. You really want to keep going with Sticks as Prez, because you've got change fatigue?

We probably don't need huge, sweeping 'get rid of the lot' changes... we just need leadership. We don't have that at the the club. Sticks isn't an effective leader as a chairman. Swann isn't a leader. Jeannie Pratt isn't a leader. We have no leadership. We have no Cook, no Costa, no Kennett, no McGuire...

It's vital we get this right. Kernahan isn't cut out to chair the board. Our VP isn't either. Swann is merely a functionary, best suited to do as he's told and implement the grand plan. Like it or not, we are rudderless right now, and the whole football world knows it. Bruce Mathieson has openly stated it. The way we conduct ourselves proves it.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:56 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
How can you be stale when you haven't been there that long - People sit here and put Costa and Cook on a pedastal and yet they have had years to get it right


Clarke - 5 years, 8 months
Fried - 5 years, 10 months
Geminder - 2 years, 6 months
Gleeson - 6 years, 6 months
Harrison - 5 years, 10 months
Kernahan - 15 years
Lee - 6 years, 6 months
LoGiudice - 2 years, 5 months
Moulton - 5 years, 10 months
Newton - 6 years, 6 months
Pratt - 1 year, 6 months
Suss - 5 years, 8 months

Greg Swann - 5 years, 6 months

So what's your definition of 'haven't been there that long'?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:08 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
How can you be stale when you haven't been there that long - People sit here and put Costa and Cook on a pedastal and yet they have had years to get it right


Clarke - 5 years, 8 months
Fried - 5 years, 10 months
Geminder - 2 years, 6 months
Gleeson - 6 years, 6 months
Harrison - 5 years, 10 months
Kernahan - 15 years
Lee - 6 years, 6 months
LoGiudice - 2 years, 5 months
Moulton - 5 years, 10 months
Newton - 6 years, 6 months
Pratt - 1 year, 6 months
Suss - 5 years, 8 months

Greg Swann - 5 years, 6 months

So what's your definition of 'haven't been there that long'?

No wonder....

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:14 am 
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Ian Coutts - 20 years.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:19 am 
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Good luck changing the makeup of that board....

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:45 am 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Good luck changing the makeup of that board....


Potentially shouldn't take that long. Mark Harrison, Ari Suss and Stephen Moulton are stepping down. Ryan Trainor and Craig Mathieson go on at the December AGM. Board now sits at 11 members. End of 2013 take out Kernahan, Gleeson and Newton. Add one. Now you have 9 and some young blood who are au fait with the clubs problems and how to go about fixing them.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:48 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Good luck changing the makeup of that board....


Potentially shouldn't take that long. Mark Harrison, Ari Suss and Stephen Moulton are stepping down. Ryan Trainor and Craig Mathieson go on at the December AGM. Board now sits at 11 members. End of 2013 take out Kernahan, Gleeson and Newton. Add one. Now you have 9 and some young blood who are au fait with the clubs problems and how to go about fixing them.

Dont Trainor and Mathieson have to get voted on? Silly me for thinking we had a say in who is on the board. Why doesnt anyone nominate and challenge any of these new appointments?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:49 am 
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Well apparently Sticks' position is determined by the members.




Did I miss a meeting or something???

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:50 am 
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kezza wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Good luck changing the makeup of that board....


Potentially shouldn't take that long. Mark Harrison, Ari Suss and Stephen Moulton are stepping down. Ryan Trainor and Craig Mathieson go on at the December AGM. Board now sits at 11 members. End of 2013 take out Kernahan, Gleeson and Newton. Add one. Now you have 9 and some young blood who are au fait with the clubs problems and how to go about fixing them.

Dont Trainor and Mathieson have to get voted on? Silly me for thinking we had a say in who is on the board. Why doesnt anyone nominate and challenge any of these new appointments?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:54 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Good luck changing the makeup of that board....


Potentially shouldn't take that long. Mark Harrison, Ari Suss and Stephen Moulton are stepping down. Ryan Trainor and Craig Mathieson go on at the December AGM. Board now sits at 11 members. End of 2013 take out Kernahan, Gleeson and Newton. Add one. Now you have 9 and some young blood who are au fait with the clubs problems and how to go about fixing them.

Who comes up with the names?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:57 am 
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kezza wrote:
Dont Trainor and Mathieson have to get voted on? Silly me for thinking we had a say in who is on the board. Why doesnt anyone nominate and challenge any of these new appointments?


No...they're straight on. C'mon kezza...democracy is so 20th century! I'll go on record as saying I support their going straight on. Bruce can pull a few more strings with his nephew on the board and Ryan is a smart operator who if given the chance will be able to provide plenty of positives.


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